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V3 Supercharging.. wagers on first Canadian location
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The minimum v3 site is 4 stalls served by 1 cabinet @ 1MW total - which is insane. Given the old form factor was 145kW for 2 stalls, my guess is that the footprint of Supercharger sites (charging spaces and especially cabinets) will shrink by 3x.
Given this rather large MVP site, and the extra demand charges they will incur should these sites get built without batteries, they'll be limited to areas that have consistently high demand for charging. Cold, dense urban areas, at a crossroads. I think this rules out Atlantic Canada for now, but one can hope for Woodstock. I'm doubtful.
My top pick in the GTA is Mississauga - probably the most underserved and high traffic area in the GTA.
And Saint Sauveur, QC - big demand here in the winter for skiers, and in the summer for cottage goers. If we look at the coverage north of the GTA for cottage country, Montreal needs to catch up. And their power is as green as it gets.
Given this rather large MVP site, and the extra demand charges they will incur should these sites get built without batteries, they'll be limited to areas that have consistently high demand for charging. Cold, dense urban areas, at a crossroads. I think this rules out Atlantic Canada for now, but one can hope for Woodstock. I'm doubtful.
My top pick in the GTA is Mississauga - probably the most underserved and high traffic area in the GTA.
And Saint Sauveur, QC - big demand here in the winter for skiers, and in the summer for cottage goers. If we look at the coverage north of the GTA for cottage country, Montreal needs to catch up. And their power is as green as it gets.
I think they postponed the Trans Canada route to wait for the V3 chargers. Charge quick and get back on the road, exactly what you want to do when going across Canada. They might not be first, but I have a better feeling they'll get done this year.
V3 Chargers make a lot of sense for large lonely stretches of road where you want to energize and leave quite quickly. Be prepared for the Tier 3 charge rate cost however; the infrastructure requirements for these are ridiculous and with Tesla already experiencing financial troubles, the only way they make this work long term is a new premium tier.
My guess: once fully validated, all new SC sites will use V3 architecture. But given the power required, and the demand charges, it will be common for power sharing to be in place at the site level, limiting output. IMHO as long as Tesla remains cash strapped, we won't see many batteries or solar at SC sites.
tombar
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My bet (hope) is the 'yet to be built' SC off the 401 in Brockville. Lots of Tesla trips along the 401 between Montreal-Toronto and beyond.
Probably like any other HPWC, I expect the cables to flex a lot better, and they’re short!
A few blocks from my house - that would be nice.
Actually, I could see somewhere along the Montreal-Toronto route, but I suspect it'll some other heavily commuted route. Even though I'm nowhere near it, I would think a good target would be between Calgary and Edmonton just to help make a point against oil. I can imagine the storm if it were put up in For McMurray although I don't think it would get a lot of usage.
Actually, I could see somewhere along the Montreal-Toronto route, but I suspect it'll some other heavily commuted route. Even though I'm nowhere near it, I would think a good target would be between Calgary and Edmonton just to help make a point against oil. I can imagine the storm if it were put up in For McMurray although I don't think it would get a lot of usage.
That would be great. If I never had to go back to Cornwall, I wouldn't be upset about it.
hingisfan
hingisfan_Mark_V
Yes, worst Canadian SC I've been to by far.
Worst USA SC I've been to would be Syracuse.
NoBeard
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I think Woodstock is a possibility...
1. It will be servicing the "crossroad"
2. The manager mentioned to me that they were looking for 6 spots, not 8. Seems with faster charging they could go to fewer stalls.
1. It will be servicing the "crossroad"
2. The manager mentioned to me that they were looking for 6 spots, not 8. Seems with faster charging they could go to fewer stalls.
I would think that would rule it out. Everything we have seen says that the V3 equipment uses one Megawatt cabinet per 4 stalls. I can't imagine they would want to have half of a cabinet unused.
Eco Capitalist
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Brockville and Mississauga both have amenities, so I expect these sites would not be V3. Those remote, out of the way places on the way to somewhere else (i.e. Blind River), that's where I expect V3 to appear.
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