garwood
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I signed in to my tesla and there was only the 6.2 available with was released on 3/30/15. I would love to have access to this manual from my kitchen and not just from my car.
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v7.0 Owner's Manual ?
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BertL
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Manuals and other docs get populated into your My Tesla account after you order and as the build/delivery process proceeds. One of the people at a Tesla Store can assist if you want to read some document that is not yet available to you online -- at least they did for me, and then after you order, you can ask questions of a Delivery Specialist that is assigned to you if the online system isn't sufficient.I assume it's only available on mytesla for owners, is that correct?
I have a mytesla account already but haven't yet clicked the buy button (but may do so any day now...). When I login, I can't see the manual anywhere, unless it's well hidden or only available after purchase.
As OP, I originally asked the question about the manual hoping to figure out what changes were in 7.0, having already read the 6.2 manual, and before taking a 2nd test drive in a 7.0 car (too late now).
If a PDF isn't yet available publicly somewhere, I guess I'll have to wait...
No idea why Tesla doesn't make the updated owners manuals easy to find.
Since I don't think this is anything secret: http://skie.net/uploads/Model S Owners Manual (v7.0).pdf
Tesla is free to contact me directly (my nick @ hosted domain) if they have an issue.
Since I don't think this is anything secret: http://skie.net/uploads/Model S Owners Manual (v7.0).pdf
Tesla is free to contact me directly (my nick @ hosted domain) if they have an issue.
BertL
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Personally, I like to maintain a PDF of the current Owner's Manual on my iMac, iPad and iPhone. I have keyword search capability that isn't available via hardcopy or inside my MS cockpit that way; Reading on my iPad is full color, nearly full size and doesn't eat trees; and information is always available at my fingertips should I want to research something without having to download it again. Of particular importance to me is the PDF copy I retain on my iPhone -- e.g. should power be out wherever I am and my MS 12V Battery ever die, I need a tow, or some other unusual thing occur, I can look up the information I may have forgotten to hopefully get going again in the heat of the moment. Hardcopy manuals locked inside of a possibly dead car just won't do the same thing... but then again, if I had one of my devices with me, I suppose I could just call Tesla Service for help 7x24 since I keep that number in my contacts just-in case as well!
Looks like that's not all they missed, this on page 35; "Warning: Do not use Valet mode when towing a trailer. Torque limitations can make it difficult for Model X to pull a trailer up a hill."
sillydriver
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So far I've just skimmed the manual, but one thing I noticed (other than the Model X references) was a comment on page 47 that "If Model S is plugged in, you can heat your Battery using wall power by turning on climate control using the mobile app." Maybe this is well known, but I though I had seen the question of heating the battery on shore power come up elsewhere in the forum and the consensus was that it could not be done.
I think it only heats it to a certain point and doesn't eliminate the cold-temp regen limits completely. Pretty sure that is what people had been hoping it would do, but I've not tested this with v7 (insulated garage).
tliving
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I downloaded the manual from MyTesla portal and the manual is missing a front page, says its for the model X, has model X specific stuff in there, talks about autopilot which I don't have etc. Seems very preliminary. Honestly a single decent tech pubs person could sort all that out as well as fix release notes.
BertL
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IMHO, the Tesla Owner's Manual is no different than what other manufacturers produce (e.g. Lexus, BMW, MBZ I'm most familiar with). The manual represents all options available on a particular model, and the owner has to skip the parts that don't apply to them based on options they have in their vehicle. Could Tesla do something better with manuals specific to the options and build date of a particular model? Sure, given enough time and resources, but I doubt a refinement like that makes a lot of sense today as Tesla is still trying to gain momentum, volume shipments, and turn a profit to get Wall Street off their backs.
Now, as to if Tesla is going to have one manual for both MS and MX, I can't say... If they do, it would seem like they are stretching things a bit for perhaps their own convenience, not for owners of the specific vehicles they produce. I certainly hope they keep manuals separate for each model.
...and I agree documentation needs to be managed better by Tesla -- I used to have to do that sort of thing for software and computer operations years ago, with methods to maintain one set that could produce different versions for different types of readers. If it was possible nearly 40 years ago, it is today. IMHO, producing more complete documentation also needs increased prioritization within Tesla, as well as making it available at a minimum, concurrently when releasing new software drops -- better yet, provide the documentation in advance of availability so (at least some) owners can educate themselves before trying new features.
Right. It didn't. I was happy to have content to read prior to delivery of my MS, even if it didn't have a cover page.
AP hardware-equipped car without AP software option
Minor quibble... One thing I notice from reading through the v7 manual is that it doesn't make it really obvious what you DON'T get with a current-build car which includes AP hardware but you don't purchase the Autopilot option.
For example there seems to be nothing showing the different style instrument cluster display you get if you don't buy AP (i.e. in that case you get the speedo similar to v6). I'm sure it's buried somewhere in the huge v7 firmware thread elsewhere on TMC but i couldn't find it in the manual nor on Telsa's website. I did later find it clearly shown in a v7 review over on Teslarati
there also seems to be no description in the manual of the basic cruise control features (non-TACC) if you don't have the AP option. It's easy to imagine how to use basic CC but there seems to be no documention on it, with all the emphasis on TACC. So no biggie, but just something missing
OTOH the general info on the differences that the AP option gives you over standard configuration IS there if you read carefully - for example in the Driver Assistance section starting on page 66 the manual uses the phrasing:
"on all Model S vehicles equipped with Driver Assistance components" = cars with the AP hardware,
and also the phrase:
"if Model S is equipped with the optional Autopilot tech package" = cars with the AP software option purchased/installed - obviously those require the necessary hardware as a prerequisite.
So from that I see that non-AP cars with the latest hardware sensors only get Lane Assist, Collision Avoidance Assist, and Speed Assist but not the other AP features which are TACC, Autosteer, Auto Lane Change, and Auto High Beam.
Anyhow I figured it out now but it would have been nice to see it summarized prominently in a table somewhere before my latest test drive in a v7 AP-equipped car, as I was originally thinking of a non-AP new MS
Now that I've finally ordered (yay!), I've got the rest of this week to finally decide to add AP option or not
Minor quibble... One thing I notice from reading through the v7 manual is that it doesn't make it really obvious what you DON'T get with a current-build car which includes AP hardware but you don't purchase the Autopilot option.
For example there seems to be nothing showing the different style instrument cluster display you get if you don't buy AP (i.e. in that case you get the speedo similar to v6). I'm sure it's buried somewhere in the huge v7 firmware thread elsewhere on TMC but i couldn't find it in the manual nor on Telsa's website. I did later find it clearly shown in a v7 review over on Teslarati
there also seems to be no description in the manual of the basic cruise control features (non-TACC) if you don't have the AP option. It's easy to imagine how to use basic CC but there seems to be no documention on it, with all the emphasis on TACC. So no biggie, but just something missing
OTOH the general info on the differences that the AP option gives you over standard configuration IS there if you read carefully - for example in the Driver Assistance section starting on page 66 the manual uses the phrasing:
"on all Model S vehicles equipped with Driver Assistance components" = cars with the AP hardware,
and also the phrase:
"if Model S is equipped with the optional Autopilot tech package" = cars with the AP software option purchased/installed - obviously those require the necessary hardware as a prerequisite.
So from that I see that non-AP cars with the latest hardware sensors only get Lane Assist, Collision Avoidance Assist, and Speed Assist but not the other AP features which are TACC, Autosteer, Auto Lane Change, and Auto High Beam.
Anyhow I figured it out now but it would have been nice to see it summarized prominently in a table somewhere before my latest test drive in a v7 AP-equipped car, as I was originally thinking of a non-AP new MS
Now that I've finally ordered (yay!), I've got the rest of this week to finally decide to add AP option or not
Minor quibble... One thing I notice from reading through the v7 manual is that it doesn't make it really obvious what you DON'T get with a current-build car which includes AP hardware but you don't purchase the Autopilot option.
For example there seems to be nothing showing the different style instrument cluster display you get if you don't buy AP (i.e. in that case you get the speedo similar to v6). I'm sure it's buried somewhere in the huge v7 firmware thread elsewhere on TMC but i couldn't find it in the manual nor on Telsa's website. I did later find it clearly shown in a v7 review over on Teslarati
there also seems to be no description in the manual of the basic cruise control features (non-TACC) if you don't have the AP option. It's easy to imagine how to use basic CC but there seems to be no documention on it, with all the emphasis on TACC. So no biggie, but just something missing
OTOH the general info on the differences that the AP option gives you over standard configuration IS there if you read carefully - for example in the Driver Assistance section starting on page 66 the manual uses the phrasing:
"on all Model S vehicles equipped with Driver Assistance components" = cars with the AP hardware,
and also the phrase:
"if Model S is equipped with the optional Autopilot tech package" = cars with the AP software option purchased/installed - obviously those require the necessary hardware as a prerequisite.
So from that I see that non-AP cars with the latest hardware sensors only get Lane Assist, Collision Avoidance Assist, and Speed Assist but not the other AP features which are TACC, Autosteer, Auto Lane Change, and Auto High Beam.
Anyhow I figured it out now but it would have been nice to see it summarized prominently in a table somewhere before my latest test drive in a v7 AP-equipped car, as I was originally thinking of a non-AP new MS
Now that I've finally ordered (yay!), I've got the rest of this week to finally decide to add AP option or not
Obviously what YOU want and can afford is the most important thing. My personal feeling is that even if you're not interested in Autosteer, auto parallel parking and (soon to come) car summoning and parking in your garage, TACC alone is worth the price of admission.
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BertL
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Very much agree. I had a less-capable version of radar cruise control in my former special-ordered 2013 Lexus, and told myself a few days after taking delivery, I'd never have another vehicle without it. It's not just for road trips as some people may think, but I also use it quite often on longer surface street stretches I frequent around town. I ordered my 2014 MBZ with Distronic Plus so I'd have that capability and more. ...and well, with my MS and Autopilot, TACC was enabled when I took delivery early this month -- superior to my Lexus and MBZ implementations... but not 10 days later, I received my free OTA 7.0 update with Autosteer and other improved Autopilot and safety capabilities. Like most everyone else, I look forward to what enhancements Tesla may also provide one day.
I'm leaning towards same thinking as you... in my 2nd test drive I was actually very impressed with auto parking, even though I consider myself pretty good at parallel parking into even the smallest available spaces - but the larger size and relatively poor rear visibility of the Model S has me a bit worried I'd be freaking out each time if I parked it manually. Of course the excellent rear view camera and auto tilt mirror are a big help. I wonder if auto park will still work well into very tight spaces? what's the minimum length of opening required?
maybe I don't need autosteer for in-the-city busy streets, but I can see that TACC may still be useful (and hence my original wondering what kind of cruise control you still get without AP software, in comparison). You mention soon-to-come summoning the car from the garage - for this I worry if it will work well enough for my case because my garage opening only has inches to spare, I'm not sure I'd trust it to automatically back out!
good point, my original thinking was that I don't (currently) take a lot of road trips, just mostly driving in the city so no need for AP. But after the test drive I can see how TACC can still be useful in town.
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