TMC is an independent, primarily volunteer organization that relies on ad revenue to cover its operating costs. Please consider whitelisting TMC on your ad blocker or making a Paypal contribution here: paypal.me/SupportTMC

Vancouver plans to be 100% gas free by 2050

Discussion in 'Canada' started by Colsla, Nov 5, 2015.

  1. Colsla

    Colsla Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2015
    Messages:
    156
    Location:
    Vancouver, BC, Canada
    I am sure some of you have already read it, but I thought I would share this anyways

    City of Vancouver plans to shift to 100 per cent renewable energy by 2050 - BC | Globalnews.ca

    it's an ambitious plan by the city, and I wonder if it will be possible at all. Still, I am glad this is happening.

    This may mean BC could potentially extend the tax incentives for EVs too:smile:.

    Do you guys think this is possible? will the city by able to rely 80%? 90% on renewable energy by 2050?

    Is there any other city in Canada that's already doing this?
     
  2. iKhalid

    iKhalid Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2014
    Messages:
    630
    Location:
    Ajax, ON (for now)
    I don't find 2050 to be ambitious. The market will move toward "gas free" regardless of Vancouver's plans.
     
  3. beeeerock

    beeeerock Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2015
    Messages:
    1,372
    Location:
    Kamloops BC Canada
    Neither do I. When the momentum swings (as it seems to be, to those of us who are optimists...), the changes will happen very quickly.
     
  4. f-stop

    f-stop Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2015
    Messages:
    573
    Location:
    Vancouver BC, Canada
    more details about the city's plan on the vancouver.ca website here including a link to an executive summary of Vancouver's Renewable City Strategy

    the strategy includes:
     
  5. mknox

    mknox Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2012
    Messages:
    8,561
    Location:
    Toronto, ON
    I wonder what the plan is to displace the 45% that comes from natural gas?
     
  6. f-stop

    f-stop Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2015
    Messages:
    573
    Location:
    Vancouver BC, Canada
    there's a chart on the last page of the Executive Summary, showing for the total city's energy usage in 2050:

    1% hydrogen
    10% biomethane
    14% biofuels
    15% neighbourhood renewable energy systems
    60% electricity

    not only that, a total reduction in the city's overall energy usage of about 35% in 2050 compared to 2014
    ambitious? yeah, maybe. how we get there? who knows. but it's a pretty long timeframe in which to achieve it... (the current council will be long gone by then)

    maybe there'll be more details on exactly HOW the city thinks we can achieve this when the full strategy paper comes out in December.

    p.s. I found another interesting aside in the plan - it claims to "support increased car-sharing and the uptake of renewably powered vehicles in car-sharing fleets..."
    Hmmm... right now the city (and local taxi industry) is expressly opposed to certain ride-sharing companies *cough*Uber*cough*
    I wonder if the city's plans will include ride-sharing in a future fleet of autonomous Teslas? :)
     
  7. mknox

    mknox Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2012
    Messages:
    8,561
    Location:
    Toronto, ON
    Well, it is ambitious. I assume there is a fair amount of natural gas heating in Vancouver (I have relatives in Victoria and Vancouver, and thought they had gas furnaces...). 45% of the city's energy as natural gas is a fair chunk. I was just wondering how that gets displaced. Maybe pump bio-methane through the pipes? Subsidize furnace replacements?
     
  8. beeeerock

    beeeerock Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2015
    Messages:
    1,372
    Location:
    Kamloops BC Canada
    You're right, natural gas is common. Unfortunately, there is also quite a lot of electric baseboard around too. However, Vancouver isn't really that cold and is evidently getting warmer... heat pumps would be a relatively easy drop-in replacement to a gas-fired forced air furnace.
     
  9. f-stop

    f-stop Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2015
    Messages:
    573
    Location:
    Vancouver BC, Canada
    yes lots of natural gas heating here in Vancouver, most people I know have it, especially older detached houses. Our >80yr old house has a NG forced-air furnace, plus we also use natural gas for the hot water tank, stove and also outdoor BBQ hookup. I wonder how easy it would be to convert all these to bio fuel? well I guess some things could be converted to electric (stove, hot water ... but not bbq!)

    I think there would need to be some kind of rebate program to help the switchover, it would be a massive effort to convert that 45% usage. Thinking about many of the old houses like ours, at one time many were heated by oil, then at some point all switched over to natural gas. So nothing to say there couldn't be another switch of fuel.
     
  10. m1ker

    m1ker Member

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2014
    Messages:
    120
    Location:
    Calgary
    Interesting move....
     
  11. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2012
    Messages:
    4,501
    Location:
    Maine
    Heat pump space heating and heat pump water heating.
    One reason to have such a distant target is that furnace replacement cycles are _very_ long.
    With Vancouver's mild winter temperatures, I'd have thought it'd be a great place for heat pumps.
     

Share This Page