If by free you mean 50% tax rate on income if you god forbid earn anything..... Then sure healthcare is free!
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If by free you mean 50% tax rate on income if you god forbid earn anything..... Then sure healthcare is free!
navguy12
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You know, the 11k a year spent by an average Canadian family in extra taxes is much less than the average 50k a year spent by the average American family on all health care and related costs
And if you had any idea on how a progressive tax system works.......oh whatever, I personally know three Americans who have gone bankrupt over health care costs and no Canadian wants to willingly give up our health care system. Our health care costs as % GDP lower than US, ore life expectancy higher than US. 2.7 million Americans went to India last year for medical treatment. .....again, whatever.
SageBrush
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navguy12
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SageBrush
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I estimate that is still way more than actual.
(Fraction of GDP spent on healthcare) * (average household income) ~ the right number
Knightshade
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it really isn't.
Heart surgery doesn't cost 10x less if you make 10x less money. Neither do most healthcare costs. Your income generally has little to do with your healthcare bill- your health does.
The US spends obscenely more on healthcare per person than any other industrialized nation in the world (and usually gets no better, and often worse, results...while covering a lower % of the population)
The fact we spend so much is why people go bankrupt in significant #s here due to healthcare costs. Something that again is virtually unheard of in most modern nations.
Canadian Politician Comes to U.S. for Heart Surgery
I rest my case.
Funny how Canada laughs at the US Military spending when Canada depends on the US to protect them with that very same military they laugh at.
SageBrush
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Yep, your numbers match my memory.
No doubt a huge amount of money, just quite a bit less than posted earlier.
navguy12
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3.5 trillion will be spent on health care in US in 2018.
20.4 trillion estimated GDP of US in 2018.
17% (or about one sixth) of total GDP spent on healthcare.
126 milion households in USA in 2017
3.5 trillion divided by 126 million households is $27,777.78.
So you are correct.
$28K per family is too high.
The real figure should read $27,777.78.
Cheers.
1.) Insured people have to pay for uninsured people. Fun blend of capitalism and socialism.
2.) Where can you find the most advanced medical care in the world? Where is the most advanced surgical devices, robots, and pharmaceuticals developed?
People need to go back to discussing cars. This is painful to read.
Am I missing something ? Does V9 come with universal health care ? I read the whole last page of this discussion but couldn't find anything about v9
SageBrush
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I think this is correct, but take it in context: the US is obscenely sick, fat, sedentary, stuffed with drugs of abuse, and a founding member of the cult for the flogging of dying people.
V9 will take the hospital exit on your behalf. If it's in the US, your insurance or Medicare will pay for it.
If you don't have insurance, then I guess I will pay for it.
SageBrush
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That would imply that the average household income is 27.77/0.17 ~ $163,000
Wishful thinking I'm afraid
Knightshade
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Then your case sucks.
vastly more US citizens leave the US for healthcare outside the US than come to the US for it.
Medical Tourism Statistics & Facts | Patients Beyond Borders
Same folks reported about half as many come into the US for it.
Because with rare exception ours isn't better. It's just way more expensive.
You can tell by looking at basically every actual fact available instead of gotcha one-off anecdotes.
You think it's the US don't you?
Spoiler- it's not.
How does the quality of the U.S. healthcare system compare to other countries? - Peterson-Kaiser Health System Tracker
To be sure- there's some areas we're better than other countries...and lots where we are worse.
The idea we've got some SUPER MAGIC WAY BETTER healthcare in general here is complete nonsense. We don't.
In general it's no better than most other modern nations, and at a much higher cost, and with less people being covered.
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navguy12
Active Member
So you found one guy from 8 years ago, a rich guy at that, via a Google search. Here is some context if you care to read it Williams talks about U.S. heart surgery | CBC News
As a retired military man, I assure you that Canada only laughs at the spending on a bloated US military industrial complex (that Eisenhower warned against back in 1960), not on all military spending. The money would be better spent on single payer health care and education. The issue with healthy educated people is that that they cannot be manipulated as easily. YMMV. Cheers and God Bless.
woodisgood
Optimustic Pessimist
Tesla can only tackle one giant problem at a time. v10 for universal health care.
sduck
Mr. Duck
Please, no more about health care. Really. Take it elsewhere. (not referring to the last few posts)
larmor
Active Member
Some in the US pay nearly 50% in taxes, I speak from experience.
The clean air and beautiful Canadian Rockies are the reason why we have to preserve air quality and save the environment.
Krugerrand
Meow
Um...nobody actually wants to war with Canada because they don’t go out of their way to piss other countries off and choose instead to support peace efforts. But feel free to give an example of the last time Canada asked for US military to be stationed in Canada to protect Canada from an enemy army. Take your time.
There was that one time when Canada and the US warred against each other...
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