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Volkswagen Is Ordered to Recall Nearly 500,000 Vehicles Over Emissions Software

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So ... where did all the Kill All Diesels PhD's spend several hundred million since 2006 (probably over $1b)?

Since CARB is redundant, the EPA has 50 state diesel restrictions, and California hired dozens of diesel specific techs.

But wait. CARB DOES HAVE A DIESEL CAR TESTING FACILITY. There are only a small handful of diesel cars sold in California over the last 10 years, did they actually do any work?

Yes, VW was criminally wrong. Yes, we spend billions on compliance. Why bother if we don't really care about their emissions?

CARB spent most their money trying to eliminate aftermarket parts and falsifying studies they never did. Nobody was prosecuted, just demoted.

California has the best government that money can buy. And I don't mean taxes.
It seems you want to shoot the messenger without proposing any solution (unless you are one of those "get rid of all regulations" people).
CARB spends most of its "billions" on programs to reduce pollution and they are more effective than the EPA.
Your accusations of fraud are unusual... Do you have any evidence?
 
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The latest test shows that VW is the best in class. Everybody else is poluting even more than VW: Dieselgate 1st anniversary: all diesel car brands in Europe are even more polluting than Volkswagen - study | Transport & Environment

note in particular from the report:

"also found that not one single brand complies with the latest air pollution limits (‘Euro 6’) for diesel cars and vans in real-world driving"

Also the tests undoubtedly are on brand new cars even if they are attempting to do some rather more realistic real world testing.
As these cars age pollution will increase and by the time they have done say 50,000 miles they'll all pollute like hell.
 
The latest test shows that VW is the best in class. Everybody else is poluting even more than VW: Dieselgate 1st anniversary: all diesel car brands in Europe are even more polluting than Volkswagen - study | Transport & Environment

note in particular from the report:
"also found that not one single brand complies with the latest air pollution limits (‘Euro 6’) for diesel cars and vans in real-world driving"

Also the tests undoubtedly are on brand new cars even if they are attempting to do some rather more realistic real world testing.
As these cars age pollution will increase and by the time they have done say 50,000 miles they'll all pollute like hell.

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Whilst it is interesting the VW *may* have lower diesel emissions, I remain highly sceptical as I dont have all the data, nor all the test criteria nor even exactly which emissions are being measured, and frankly the odds that VW are better than everyone else and have 1/3 the emissions of Ford stretches my credulity.

I prefer this:

Renault considers killing off diesel engines

Renault considers killing off diesel engines - BBC News
 
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Hurry! Let's pump 20% more CO2 into the atmosphere, use 20% more petroleum, and do that stupid thing with corn liquor instead of that smart thing with rapeseed or algae.

The USA wants to kill diesels also, especially CARB. It's because they don't hire intelligent people for government jobs.

Diesel is an incremental solution to automotive emissions and dependence on imported oil. It simply packs a bigger punch and is easier to create. It can be be made from natural gas or plant life WAY more efficiently than ethanol can be used as a motor fuel.

It's funny that the US Armed Forces know this, yet the Federal Idiocracy does not. Nobody expected CARB to act intelligently though. Their "scientists" buy their degrees mail order without taking any courses. Seriously, look it up. And they don't even get fired when caught lying on their CV or when collecting or reporting data. Heck, they don't even delete data they know to be false.

An analogy would be bees in your garden. Bees sting, so kill them all. First, wildly inflate the number of bee stings and their effect, publish that 100,000 people a year are killed by bees, Just make up the numbers. Use a PhD to put their name on it, but it must be a dumb one, so find a diploma mill weasel to do it. Don't bother determining whether eliminating bees is bad or good, just get rid of them out of blind fear and ignorance.

EDIT - CARB's greatest achievement? The Pour Gasoline On The Ground Law. CARB ran of the things to waste money on. So they thought, what if somebody is SO stupid that they do not cap off their gas storage cans? A little bit of volatile HC would be released right? Those volatile HC's are what allow you to start a cold engine, hence why only fools leave gasoline uncapped. It becomes useless if left open.

So let's think... First find some really stupid people to work on it. Why? Because unsealed gas can vapors are insignificant. Like trying to empty your pool with a teaspoon. It will work, but there are MUCH better ways of reducing emissions for less money. Like banning sedans that don't get 30 mpg.

Put a trapdoor sealer on all gas cans mandated by law. These will ALWAYS drip some, but sometimes drip a lot. On drop of liquid gas is a LOT of vapor. The big problem is the autoclose spigots make it so you can't see the fuel level, and the flow is perpendicular to the tube. So invariably you dump a large amount of gas every time you fill something with one of these cans. They spent millions to increase pollution. But at least they spend the money or they would lose it for the next budget.

So we have to go buy $35 racing jugs with manual valves if we want to avoid polluting the air unnecessarily, or find old gas cans with lids.
 
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Interesting news ...Winterkorn Behind Dieselgate Coverup, New Docs Suggest

Former Volkswagen CEO Martin Winterkorn was well aware of the dieselgate scandal, long before it was made public, documents cited by Germany’s BILD Zeitung suggest. The material also appears to prove that Winterkorn initiated an attempted cover-up.

BILD has an internal Volkswagen memo with the date of July 30 2015. Titled “Approval diesel U.S.A.” the message announced that two Volkswagen staffers would meet “deputy executive officer Dr. Ayala for an unofficial information exchange.” At the meeting with CARB’s Alberto Ayala, the “issues” with Volkswagen’s diesel engines should only be “partially disclosed,” the memorandum says. This “approach has been confirmed by Prof. Winterkorn on July 28, 2015” the paper says.

A day before the memo was written, “the issue” was the topic at Volkswagen’s “Schadenstisch” (literally “damage table”) a regular crisis and damage control meeting by experts from various departments of Volkswagen. “Are we talking about CO2?” Winterkorn is quoted to have asked at the meeting. “No, it’s nitrous oxide,” he was told according to the report. Says BILD: “Latest on that day, Winterkorn supposedly knew all. This was seven weeks before U.S. environmental agencies went public with dieselgate, which led to the unprecedented crash of Volkswagen shares.”

BILD has an internal Volkswagen memo with the date of July 30 2015. Titled “Approval diesel U.S.A.” the message announced that two Volkswagen staffers would meet “deputy executive officer Dr. Ayala for an unofficial information exchange.” At the meeting with CARB’s Alberto Ayala, the “issues” with Volkswagen’s diesel engines should only be “partially disclosed,” the memorandum says. This “approach has been confirmed by Prof. Winterkorn on July 28, 2015” the paper says.

A day before the memo was written, “the issue” was the topic at Volkswagen’s “Schadenstisch” (literally “damage table”) a regular crisis and damage control meeting by experts from various departments of Volkswagen. “Are we talking about CO2?” Winterkorn is quoted to have asked at the meeting. “No, it’s nitrous oxide,” he was told according to the report. Says BILD: “Latest on that day, Winterkorn supposedly knew all. This was seven weeks before U.S. environmental agencies went public with dieselgate, which led to the unprecedented crash of Volkswagen shares.”
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Protestors outside the main gate at Volkswagen Headquarters

The last sentence hints on the direction the leak might be taking. In recent days, German courts have been flooded with lawsuits by investors who claim they lost billions when the company’s shares crashed. To beat a one year statute of limitations, “fax machines overheated” at German courts a week ago, Bloomberg said. One German law firm delivered more than 5,000 complaints by truck. The claimants allege that Volkswagen violated the “ad-hoc” rule requiring the speedy release of findings that might impact the value of a company’s shares. Lawsuits disclosed so far seek nearly $12 billion in damages.

For Volkswagen, these lawsuits carry a much higher threat potential than violations of Europe’s famously lax emission laws. According to BILD, public prosecutors in Germany offer Volkswagen engineers settlements in the range of 100,000 to 150,000 Euro ($112,000 to $168,000). Engineers are said to shun the deal, because it would mean that “they would lose coverage by Volkswagen’s legal protection insurance, and they would have to pay for their own lawyers.”

On July 8, 2015, CARB informed both the EPA and VW that it found glaring discrepancies between real world emissions and when Volkswagen diesel cars were on the “rolling road” in a testing lab. ”VW offered up excuses for the inconsistency in tailpipe NOx levels, but the EPA wasn’t buying it,” writes Mashable. One year ago, on September 18, EPA went public.

Four weeks ago, former Volkswagen chairman Ferdinand Piech told investigators that he approached Winterkorn about the diesel matter as early as March 2015, BILD wrote earlier. Winterkorn supposedly told the Volkswagen patriarch that “he has a handle on the matter.” Weeks later, Piech dropped the ominous sentence that he was “at a distance to Winterkorn.” At the time, it was all over the media that Piech was unhappy with Winterkorn’s U.S. strategy, and it was the general belief that the discontent concerned disappointing U.S. sales.
It may rather have been how Winterkorn mishandled the “diesel issue,” as the euphemism at Volkswagen goes.
 
Current 2011 VW Golf TDI owner patiently waiting for the buyback ...

Diesel for personal cars (not trucks) is on the way out. VW just accelerated its death by killing the US market and drawing a microscope on emissions in Europe.

Which I suppose is good news for an EV owner, though I will certainly miss shifting my own gears. I wonder how many other former TDI owners will end up with electric cars.
 
...though I will certainly miss shifting my own gears.

After having driven an EV for about 4 years, this kinda made me laugh. The whole concept of a transmission, manual or automatic, is really just a band-aid for the internal combustion engine that cannot deal with a wide range of RPMs or start moving the car from 0 RPM. I wonder if 100 years ago, people said they missed whipping their horses to get the buggy moving?
 
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After having driven an EV for about 4 years, this kinda made me laugh. The whole concept of a transmission, manual or automatic, is really just a band-aid for the internal combustion engine that cannot deal with a wide range of RPMs or start moving the car from 0 RPM. I wonder if 100 years ago, people said they missed whipping their horses to get the buggy moving?

Yeah totally ridiculous, but absolutely true. Driving a manual transmission car on windy roads is FUN in a way that the Tesla isn't. Fortunately, we also have a Miata. :)
 
Yeah totally ridiculous, but absolutely true. Driving a manual transmission car on windy roads is FUN in a way that the Tesla isn't. Fortunately, we also have a Miata. :)
Well, wind can certainly make driving more challenging and some might call that "fun". However, shifting constantly is "fun" for only a short period of time (even less in traffic).
 
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It's not just the shifting, its the controlling or even heel and toe'ing that one can do which simultaneously makes you the one "torque vectoring" all four wheels, instead of someone else's notion of how dull driving should be.

RE: Today. I'm mostly just disappointed at how everyone is running with most people "signed up" for the settlement, when all VWCourtselttelment established was a non-binding query of "interest" into whether owners prefered buyback, or fix. Every response seems to have morphed into what VW is calling an endorsement of the settlement (the high ratios the media is reporting). As folks never gave up their right to opt out of the Class, all this "everyone likes it" stuff is playing right into Volkswagen's hands.

Well played, VW. Fooled us again.
 
Volkswagen agreed to a $14.7 billion settlement for cheating on emissions tests. Judge approves $15B Volkswagen settlement
Learn more about the Settlements: https://www.vwcourtsettlement.com/en/

The settlement sets in motion a massive vehicle buyback program and environmental remediation efforts. U.S. District Court Judge Charles Breyer in San Francisco approved the sweeping agreement between consumers, the government, California regulators and the German automaker in a written ruling a week after signaling he was likely to sign off. He said the agreement is "fair, reasonable and adequate."

The settlement comes about a year after Volkswagen admitted that it rigged 11 million vehicles worldwide with software designed to dodge emissions standards. The company is still facing criminal investigations by the U.S. Justice Department and German prosecutors. The U.S. probe could lead to additional financial penalties and criminal indictments.

About 475,000 Volkswagen owners in the U.S. can choose between a buyback or a free fix and compensation, if a repair becomes available. VW will begin administering the settlement immediately, having already devoted several hundred employees to handling the process. "The priority was to get the polluting cars off the road as soon as possible. The settlement does that," Breyer said in his ruling, adding that even "under heightened scrutiny" the deal is laudable.

Buybacks range in value from $12,475 to $44,176, including restitution payments, and vary based on mileage. People who opt for a fix approved by the Environmental Protection Agency will receive payouts ranging from $5,100 to $9,852, depending on the book value of their car. Volkswagen will also pay $2.7 billion for environmental mitigation and another $2 billion for clean-emissions infrastructure.

Deal backers include a class action group of consumers, the EPA, the California Air Resources Board and the Federal Trade Commission, which assailed VW over the company's "false" advertisements marketing its smog-spewing diesels as "clean diesel." EPA and the California board took action after a study by the International Council on Clean Transportation and West Virginia University exposed differences in the emissions performance of the vehicles.

Approval marks an "important milestone in our journey to making things right in the United States, and we appreciate the efforts of all parties involved in this process," VW U.S. CEO Hinrich J. Woebcken said in a statement. "Volkswagen is committed to ensuring that the program is now carried out as seamlessly as possible for our affected customers and has devoted significant resources and personnel to making their experience a positive one."
 
The fallout keeps on coming - German prosecutors confirm probe targeting VW's chairman

German prosecutors confirmed on Monday they are investigating Volkswagen AG's (VOWG_p.DE) supervisory board chairman over suspected market manipulation, in another blow to efforts to contain fallout from the automaker's diesel emissions scandal. New questions also arose over findings by U.S. regulators about the extent of emissions test cheating by the automaker's Audi luxury brand.

The confirmation by prosecutors in the German state of Brauchschweig came a day after the company said a probe announced in June, targeting VW brand Chief Executive Herbert Diess and former group Chief Executive Officer Martin Winterkorn, had been widened to include Hans Dieter Poetsch, its former finance chief and now head of the supervisory board.

The Braunschweig investigation focuses on whether Volkswagen in 2015 manipulated markets by delaying the release of information about the financial impact of its emissions test-cheating scandal. Separately, Germany’s motor vehicle authority KBA said it had been commissioned by the transport ministry to seek more information about reports of new software cheats at Audi, a transport ministry spokesman told a regular government news conference on Monday, without elaborating. It was not immediately clear whether this would entail a new round of tests by the KBA of Audi models in question, a source at the ministry said, noting that several types of Audi’s V6 engine had the affected automatic transmission.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-vo...-idUSKBN1321LO
 
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Diesel cars are 10 times more toxic than trucks and buses, data shows

Diesel cars are 10 times more toxic than trucks and buses, data shows

The article states that this is because trucks are subject to random testing after delivery but cars have lax testing.
Interesting. I wonder if this applies in the U.S. as well (I have no idea what rules exist for commercial trucks here, much less whether they're consistent between states).

Also, I think there must be something broken about this paragraph:

"It found that heavy-duty vehicles tested in Germany and Finland emitted about 210mg NOx per kilometre driven, less than half the 500mg/km pumped out by modern diesel cars that meet the highest “Euro 6” standard. However, the buses and trucks have larger engines and burn more diesel per kilometre, meaning that cars produce 10 times more NOx per litre of fuel."

Try as I might I can't get the second sentence to make any sense in the context of the first. I know I could go read the original paper, but life's too short.