VW ID.3

[ItsNotAboutTheMoney]

"Volkswagen of America has previously said that it does not intend to bring the ID.3 to the US, betting instead that American drivers would prefer the production version of the ID. CROZZ electric crossover."
Demand for the VW ID.3 electric car was so high, the system crashed

Well, crap. My wife just got a M3AWD, which we love. I am hoping someone will put out a little, zippy, shorter-range, city/sports car I could drive to compliment her M3. The E Mini Cooper is slow, expensive, and short on range. The ID.3 seems almost perfect, assuming it has snappy acceleration. I owned a GTI and loved it. My current car is a Subaru BRZ, and if they made it electric and a little more refined, I'd pay $10K more than I did ($27K + TTL).

Here's what I want:
Small 2+2, with the back seats only barely usable in a pinch, but able to be folded down to give decent cargo room in the
Hatchback
RWD
200 mile nominal range
0-60 in 5.0
Nice leather interior, nice entertainment/information system, nice soundproofing
$37,000

How much range do you _need_? How quick do you _need_?

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[F14Scott]

How much range do you _need_? How quick do you _need_?

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Not to be released in the USA. And, it is homely.

 

[Laserbrain]

Livestream of the final ID.3 unveiling, starting in 10 minutes:
VW ID.3 im Live-Stream: Hier sehen Sie die Weltpremiere

And here it is:


Rear view:


Inside:

 

[Laserbrain]

Well, that was awkward how they dragged the two children on the stage... I guess some marketing guy said, they have to do a "fridays for future" thing. Because... its a thing. Awkward.

But I liked how you could clearly point out the single person on stage who did not got paid for being there: the sales manager's son, he was somewhere between bored and annoyed - and when his mother took his phone away on stage... lol... I am with him.

But, oh well, the ID.3 looks like a proper VW: boring. But it is a good boring. Only the inside... well thats a lot of different colors... dont't do drugs children... and VW designers...

All in all, lets wait for a Tesla Bjørn review to find out if its a good electric car.

 

[TLej]

Very promising, if everything turns out as planned.

 

[Scott7]

I like it! Love that it's RWD.

Greatly looking forward to seeing the configurator + option pricing as that's where the rubber really meets the road and the comparison with the Model 3 will begin/end. Even though it won't be available in the US at all...

I predict people that go with the white steering wheel are going to have regrets in 2-3 months!

 

[dgpcolorado]

Another report on VW's EV push:

Volkswagen Hopes Fresh Logo Signals an Emission-Free Future

...
Executives at Volkswagen, which last year edged out Toyota as the world’s largest carmaker, have hinted that economies of scale have allowed them to push the cost of batteries in the ID.3 below $100 per kilowatt hour. That price is considered the point at which electric cars become more affordable than internal combustion models. Analysts had not expected costs to fall that far for several more years.

Ralf Brandstätter, chief operating officer for the division that makes Volkswagen-brand cars, simply grinned when asked about rumors that the company had achieved that magic number.
...
Volkswagen plans to begin selling an electric car in the United States at the end of next year, but has not provided details about price. Mr. Brandstätter indicated that the model would probably be a sport utility vehicle. Initially, Volkswagen will import the cars, but plans to begin producing them at its factory in Chattanooga, Tenn., in 2022...

The ID.3 looks very "Golf-like" to me. Since I drove a 1986 Golf for 25 years (until I hit a deer at 230,000 miles) it is a car I liked.

 

[30seconds]

Looks like they plan to price it pretty similar to the Model 3 but with sub 200 mile option at the bottom end for low $30s

 

[kavyboy]

If the ID.3 were available here now, we would doing a test drive this weekend. "Boring" is just fine. It's got an instrument cluster and everything!

 

[240W]

yeah, that steering wheel discoloration will be an issue for sure

otherwise, i like it

it'll be available to the US with their $7,500 fed tax credit volume timing

 

[GregRF]

I like the pedals:

 

[EVMeister]

it'll be available to the US with their $7,500 fed tax credit volume timing

It isn't going to be available in the US.

 

[240W]

It isn't going to be available in the US.

yeah, i read that, buuuuuut, it still may happen some day, hopefully a version that's been improved from this first iteration... and if it does, are they going to time it like the model 3 where they got nice volume kick around the fed tax credit timing

 

[Eno Deb]

Looks like they plan to price it pretty similar to the Model 3 but with sub 200 mile option at the bottom end for low $30s

Don't forget that the Euro prices include ~20% VAT. The smallest version (330km/205mi range) will supposedly cost below EUR 30,000. The Model 3 SR+ (409km WLTP range) costs about EUR 43,000 incl. VAT in Germany. Even the medium battery version of the ID 3 (420km range) will be significantly less expensive.

If this car doesn't lift EVs over a market share of a couple percent in Europe I don't know what will ...

 

[seattlite2004]

 

[30seconds]

Don't forget that the Euro prices include ~20% VAT. The smallest version (330km/205mi range) will supposedly cost below EUR 30,000. The Model 3 SR+ (409km WLTP range) costs about EUR 43,000 incl. VAT in Germany. Even the medium battery version of the ID 3 (420km range) will be significantly less expensive.

If this car doesn't lift EVs over a market share of a couple percent in Europe I don't know what will ...

The Model 3 + Model Y

 

[Eno Deb]

The Model 3 + Model Y

Not likely. The Model 3 isn't doing all that well in Europe (e.g. in Germany even older EVs such as the e-Golf, BMW i3 and Renault Zoe are all outselling the Model 3), and the Europeans aren't quite as SUV crazy as car buyers in the US. Overall we're still at an EV market share of 2% or so.

 

[30seconds]

Tesla Model 3 was the 3rd best selling vehicle in the UK in August

Tesla Model 3 was August's third best-selling car

It was also the 3rd best selling car in the Netherlands

YTD through July the Model 3 is the best selling EV in Europe, substantially outselling any other EV.

 

[Eno Deb]

YTD through July the Model 3 is the best selling EV in Europe, substantially outselling any other EV.

Pent-up demand from all the pre-orders. Recent numbers in Germany look quite different (see table of new registrations):

July 2019 Was Almost A Record Month For EV Sales In Germany

 

[30seconds]

Germany is a single country in Europe. Sales there do not support your incorrect statement that "The Model 3 isn't doing all that well in Europe."