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Anyone have any idea where the Kitsap Peninsula charger will be at?
I think a great location would be at the main and vine shopping plaza. This higher end grocery store/plaza would be a good place. Keeping my fingers crossed.
Oh bummer. Odd he didn't mention that when negotiating.. I hope that doesn't negatively affect the rest of the state. I agree those locations would also be a good. I think Wa is pretty sparsely covered when compared to other states... It's odd because I would imagine a good bit of Teslas are sold here.Right now Tesla is embroiled in a bit of a scandal in Aberdeen. The mayor didn't reveal he owned Tesla stock when he negotiated the supercharger deal and the city council now wants to cancel the contract.
As for new locations in 2017, somewhere on the west side of the Sound is a definite bet. Silverdale might be a good place, there are a lot of places to shop and eat around there.
I hope they get one on the north side of the Gorge in SW Washington. I would never use it, but a super charger in Camas or Washougal would be good for people going up the Gorge on SR-14. Another supercharger between Portland and Seattle would be good too. Along the I-5 corridor they need to put superchargers about halfway between all the existing ones. The existing spacing is good for an S 60, but they are too close together for a longer range 85D or 90D. For someone going to southern OR or CA from the Seattle area, the Centralia supercharger is a bit too short and Woodburn is too far. If there was one a bit north of Vancouver, that would probably be ideal. Same thing from Portland south, Woodburn is way too short, Springfield is a bit short, but Grants Pass is too far. Roseburg would be ideal (in warmer weather, you probably need more stops this time of year) for going south from Portland.
They are doing this in some parts of California so it will probably happen in the Northwest soon.
The Northwest appears to be getting a bit more attention from Tesla. I was talking to a tech at the Manteca, CA supercharger in october and he said that they were moving him to Vancouver, WA in a few weeks to support all the NW superchargers. Up to that point all the NW superchargers were serviced out of Freemont, CA.
Oh bummer. Odd he didn't mention that when negotiating.. I hope that doesn't negatively affect the rest of the state. I agree those locations would also be a good. I think Wa is pretty sparsely covered when compared to other states... It's odd because I would imagine a good bit of Teslas are sold here.
In regards to them moving personnel up there, that is great news! I hope we get a nice uptick in superchargers. I live in Tacoma and the charging is pretty limited and slow -- I emailed the city and it doesn't seem like they have any plans to increase the current charging infrastructure. Eventually I may move to Gig Harbor -- and there isn't much there either. Gig Harbor's email response was more positive in regards to adding chargers, but only time will tell. A lot of the apartments/condos in these areas are older don't have charging available yet .
A couple of articles on the situation in Aberdeen
Mayor tied to Tesla Supercharger site questioned over 'conflict of interest'
Aberdeen Mayor will nullify Tesla Supercharger contract over failure to disclose stock holding
Supercharging is intended for use when driving between cities. If you can't charge at home, the idea is you have some other way of charging such as a lower speed commercial charger. Washington has a large number of ChaDEMO and other lower speed chargers compared to other states. At the moment there are few Tesla owners without access to some kind of charging at home. Those who live in condos tend to live in upscale ones where they can get some kind of charger installed in the parking garage. The people who live in apartment complexes without charging usually don't have the money to afford a Tesla.
Washington's sales tax holiday on EVs did encourage EV ownership and early on Washington was the #3 state in Tesla ownership, but now that Tesla's are taxed to the full in WA, I think sales have declined. A lot are sold in Oregon though. The day I picked up my car in Portland they had two truck loads of new cars delivered and the delivery specialist said they get several truckloads a week.
Tesla put a few superchargers in cities in California, but that's rare. Most of the superchargers are on major highways between larger cities. The nearest supercharger to Portland is in Sandy and is really only useful if you're going up Mt Hood. It isn't really convenient if you're traveling on I-84 up the Gorge or coming into Portland from the east. Woodburn is south of the city far enough I doubt many people in Portland go out of their way to use it if they aren't traveling down the Willamette Valley.
Tesla has been encouraging businesses and hotels to put in destination chargers. They don't want the headache of maintaining low speed chargers in cities, but they could introduce a lower tier supercharger that is for use in cities and charges at a much lower rate, but at a cost per KWh. They have the infrastructure for charging people for supercharging built in now, so this could be price structured to pay for itself.
I know, the official policy is Superchargers are for travel, but as cars begin to be sold without unlimited Supercharging, I think that policy will change.
Yeah I agree, stopping at the supercharger and paying for it/grabbing a cup of coffee/grocery shopping etc -- will be the norm for apartment dwellers/condo owners. That is if Tesla enables such, which I hope they do. There are millions of people who want a tesla and don't have any charging available for use -- Tesla can easily solve that problem with the pay per use policy. A fair price will encourage more people to use it and hopefully more infrastructure will be built.I suspect that free charging was eliminated to discourage local charging. Elon and JB have said they are confused and dismayed at the number of people that insist on wasting time at a SC instead of charging at home...
That is if Tesla enables such, which I hope they do. There are millions of people who want a tesla and don't have any charging available for use -- Tesla can easily solve that problem with the pay per use policy. A fair price will encourage more people to use it and hopefully more infrastructure will be built.
True, you are right, destination chargers would be also very acceptable in my opinion and much less costly. I read a really cool article comparing the costco revenue model to the new Tesla supercharger model... I wish I could find it but can't -- it really was a good read.L3 charging for people without charging at home/work is a bandaid... not a solution. We need to work to expand more L2 options. L3 is >10x more expensive than L2 and it puts A LOT of stress on the grid, a 8 bay Supercharger at a hotel can draw more power than the hotel. For daily use it's simply not sustainable at scale.
I read a really cool article comparing the costco revenue model to the new Tesla supercharger model... I wish I could find it but can't -- it really was a good read.
Depending on your charger configuration -- this charger would get your around 45ish mph charge -- and for free!I'm definitely looking forward to WA getting more Superchargers. I could have really used one in Sequim this weekend. I was out there for a bike race on Saturday and wanted to turn around and get to Ellensburg that night to attend another event in Ephrata the next day. I was planning to stop at home but would have had to hang out for a couple hours to get enough charge to get to Ellensburg (only stopped long enough for a shower and bike change, about 45 min or so). Fortunately a buddy bailed me out and gave me a ride to Sequim. We burned a bunch of diesel in his Q7 to do so though. Bleh.
Anyway, I was scouting Sequim locations and it looks like there are a couple good ones. At one end of town is a Black Bear Diner and a Holiday Inn Express that share a parking lot. At the other end of town is a Starbucks in huge parking lot shared with a Home Depot, Petco, Ross, and Costco. There are a Taco Time, Jack in the Box, Teriaki, and IHOP all within walking distance too depending on where in the parking lot they'd put the Superchargers. I looked for any signs of construction at both locations but didn't see anything.
Good to know those chargers at Stevens get used! I'd be bummed to find them full, though I'm sure I could make it up and back easily enough.
I've also thought about making the trip to Crystal but didn't (for various reasons not necessarily related to using one of their RV spots). I haven't asked them about using an RV spot but thought it might be OK during the week. I know they're usually pretty full on the weekends.
It would also be nice to "fill in the gaps" a bit too so when the weather is conducive to skipping the current locations it would be possible.
I'm definitely looking forward to WA getting more Superchargers. I could have really used one in Sequim this weekend. I was out there for a bike race on Saturday and wanted to turn around and get to Ellensburg that night to attend another event in Ephrata the next day. I was planning to stop at home but would have had to hang out for a couple hours to get enough charge to get to Ellensburg (only stopped long enough for a shower and bike change, about 45 min or so). Fortunately a buddy bailed me out and gave me a ride to Sequim. We burned a bunch of diesel in his Q7 to do so though. Bleh.
Anyway, I was scouting Sequim locations and it looks like there are a couple good ones. At one end of town is a Black Bear Diner and a Holiday Inn Express that share a parking lot. At the other end of town is a Starbucks in huge parking lot shared with a Home Depot, Petco, Ross, and Costco. There are a Taco Time, Jack in the Box, Teriaki, and IHOP all within walking distance too depending on where in the parking lot they'd put the Superchargers. I looked for any signs of construction at both locations but didn't see anything.
Good to know those chargers at Stevens get used! I'd be bummed to find them full, though I'm sure I could make it up and back easily enough.
I've also thought about making the trip to Crystal but didn't (for various reasons not necessarily related to using one of their RV spots). I haven't asked them about using an RV spot but thought it might be OK during the week. I know they're usually pretty full on the weekends.
It would also be nice to "fill in the gaps" a bit too so when the weather is conducive to skipping the current locations it would be possible.
Thanks. Yeah, I saw those downtown Sequim EVSE's on Plugshare. I've got the 72amp charger in the X so it would have been a bit less. Also, we were parked out in a field across from the entrance to the Dungeness County Park (corner of Kitchen Dick Rd. and Lotzgesell Rd.). I found the Greenhouse Inn by the Bay bed and breakfast would have been the closest charging while I was racing...Depending on your charger configuration -- this charger would get your around 45ish mph charge -- and for free! View attachment 219211