In reality what you did on 2013 was make a reservation which did not guarantee you a specific configuration. You weren't configuring an X, you were simply reserving one.
Now I am the one who is confused, since in 2013 there was no 90kWh battery
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Waiting 3 years for Model X. Now a bait & switch?
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I sincerely doubt there is anything mystical to the frustration here. The OP seems bummed about what a lot of people have been bummed about - a long drawn out reservation process followed by a long drawn out production ramp-up resulting in literally years of delays. It is really hard to fault the OP for that, given the process went as it did.
It is of course true that we can and should correct mistakes for accuracy and there OP was inaccurate. So, I agree, in 2013 one made a paid reservation (60D/85D with 5/7 seats were advertised) - not an order - and only since late 2015 (or H1/2016 depending on country) has it been possible to actually turn those paid reservations into orders, with some noted changes in the offered configurations.
It is of course true that we can and should correct mistakes for accuracy and there OP was inaccurate. So, I agree, in 2013 one made a paid reservation (60D/85D with 5/7 seats were advertised) - not an order - and only since late 2015 (or H1/2016 depending on country) has it been possible to actually turn those paid reservations into orders, with some noted changes in the offered configurations.
Vip
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jsollender
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All correct. All you did in 2013 was put your name on a paid list to order some car called model X for some time in the future
Inaccurate still, though. The timeframe for deliveries and certain battery versions were specified by Tesla in 2013. Tesla just failed to deliver them in that time.
Of course it is true they were merely paid reservations then - and only selection made by the reservationist was Signature vs. Production.
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I paid deposit in March-2013 for model X. However I configured D in dec-2015 but my order has been pushed back so far that people who are reserving their X gets delivered quicker. So when we reserved in 2013 by putting our name on the so called 'reservation list', we were not told that there is a separate list for D or 90 or 90P. So in essence what tesla is doing, by placing $$$ over reputation, it can be challenged in the court, as morally tesla doesn't care. It's all about quarterly earnings and short term gain. I would not be surprised if FTC is looking into these sort of practices.
tinm
2020 Model S LR+ Owner
On the contrary. With Tesla I think the last thing they worry about is quarterly earnings and short term gain. 
Actually I doubt they are putting $$$ over reputation in your case. As it is likely that people that ordered a cheaper smaller battery 6 seater after you have gotten it already. Why? Because they have actually finished the design for them and are building them. They just aren't building any 5 seaters right now regardless of cost.
ccutrer
Active Member
Huh? All Model X's are Ds. And I don't know the exact timing of how clear it was that Tesla made it clear P90Ds would be built first, but they certainly did that. And while original estimates given for different options in the design studio may have been off, they at least gave ballpark idea of the order that certain options would have been delivered in.
Model X is still production constrained. It will be the end of this year/early next year for Model X to match production rate of Model S. In other words, they rather make your Model X later than now.
The point I was trying to make is, when tesla accepted deposits, it did NOT labeled deposit by configurations, but rather by the model, which happens to be ‘X’. So it is true while all X’s are not D, but they are not 90D or P90D either. That is why all deposit holders were given a ‘Reservation Sequence Number’. The exact language cited in the email confirmation was; “Your Reservation Sequence Number indicates your place in our reservation queue and the order in which you'll be invited to finalize your Model X configuration, options, and packages”.
When order que was opened up in late Fall-2015, tesla website already had ‘70D’, 90D and P90D configurations to choose from. So when deposit holders were called upon to configure their orders based on above sequence numbers, they were not discriminated at that point, but certainly placed them behind those who had configured a higher-priced options. In fact, my friend had configured (first time) his 90D order while providing $5K deposit soon after I confirmed my order in Dec-2015, he received his 90D in late January and I am still waiting to receive my 75D with $107K options before TTL. What do you call that???
dandurston
Member
This complaint doesn't make sense. Yes your Model S - like all vehicles - is depreciating, but if you had your new Model X it would also be depreciating. Depreciation can't be avoided by buying a new car. Quite the opposite, Tesla is actually saving you money because a new car depreciates at a higher rate than your old one.
jsollender
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It's called the ramp up. TM was/is streamlining the production process of a single car type at a time, or reasonably close. That's why the first cars out were P90's with all bells and whistles, holding the 90D's back while the production ramp became more proficient. That's why some early 90D reservists actually got the active spoiler when none was ordered, as it was just easier for TM to push out a single type of spoiler before locking it down for 90D reservists in April or May. No one seemed to like the order of production/delivery, but ultimately everyone who has an active order will receive a car. It's not going to be on your time frame. We are hear to listen to the vents, but powerless to change the inevitability of your delivery. I vented about my 5 seater, gave up and upgraded, and now love my 4 day old 90D with 6 seats. Not trying to gloat, but once you have the car in your hands, all waiting is forgiven. It's Christmas morning for us successful beta testers!
Scoopup
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I guess I am just going to have to wait and hopefully get it by Christmas. I did the math and the upgrade will increase my order by 14 k. What I am paying now is 3 times more than I ever paid for any car in my life. I am sure when it arrives all the pain will go away but it is hard to see how this has played out. I am still long on TMC.
My Tesla rep contacted the Tesla Inside Sales team and they agreed to waive the $500 change fee if I moved to a 6 seater with SAS. I have decided to go ahead and do so. Moving from the 75 to the 60 made this financially palatable for me.
Current Model S production rate is pretty well known through the tracking of VIN numbers on this forum. It's just a hair below 1000/week over the last four weeks. Tesla already confirmed they are at 2000/week overall production rate. Hence Model X production rate must be pretty close to 1000/week as well.
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