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WARNING against Michelin Cross Climate+ Tires

Discussion in 'Model X: Driving Dynamics' started by Lhshockey24, Aug 31, 2019.

  1. Lhshockey24

    Lhshockey24 Member

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    I recently needed to replace the rear tires on our X after getting about 20k miles on the Continental DWS06. I decided to go with the Michelin Cross Climate+ SUV as they appear to rate very well for snow as an all-season tire. I run the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S3 on the front.

    What’s happened since then, is the tire tread pattern is so dramatically different than the front that it has caused autopilot to wobble back and forth. The Tesla service tech confirmed this is the cause. Not only that, but it’s such a heavy/dramatic (not sure the word to use) tread pattern that our avg consumption since installing these rear tires is up to north of 450-500wh/mi in sport on the highway (not Ludicrous mode). Typically we see a little below 400wh/mi. It’s almost like how having off-road tires on an ICE can cause gas mileage to plummet.

    I will have to replace these and just put the A/S3 on the rear. I just wanted to share a word of warning to others.

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  2. jboy210

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    Good warning.

    I never run different tires. Also, I try to change all 4 at once, even if there is life left on one set.
     
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  3. MP3Mike

    MP3Mike Well-Known Member

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    You should never mix different tires on an AWD vehicle.
     
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  4. Lhshockey24

    Lhshockey24 Member

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    I never had an issue with the DWS06 in the back. I just think the cross climates are so crazy different it was obviously a “learning moment” as they say.

    It’s also very hard to find the pilot sport A/S3 in the 275 size on the rears...
     
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    but would having 4 same cross climate+ fix the issue? By giving the tire a fair justice.
     
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  6. Lhshockey24

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    The severe increase in wh/mi scares me away from that. They’re almost like running all-terrain tires...
     
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  7. jerry33

    jerry33 (S85-3/2/13 traded in) X LR: F2611##-3/27/20

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    I my opinion, your big mistake was to only install two. You should never ever run two different models of tires--particularly summer and winter (most countries where winter tires are needed don't allow that kind of mismatch)--it's a sure recipe for failure. I haven't run those, but I have run the Nokian WR-3G (now 4G) for winter. They have very good rolling resistance and traction. SUV tires are always going to have more rolling resistance due to the heavier construction.
     
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    Could have been due to the mismatch in tread/front to rear and traction control/stability control kicking in constantly. Also, consumption decreases once the tire isn't brand new.
     
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  9. Scott Fairchild

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    To my knowledge there are only two brands of tires APPROVED for the Model X. Continental and Pirelli
    Anything else can put you at risk.

    I agree the Continentals are worthless. Got about 20,000 miles before blowout and long tow. Continental would do NOTHING about.
    Told me to get lost.

    I have Continentals on my new RAVEN and can't wait for them to wear and replace with Pirellis. Not sure why Tesla chooses these substandard tires.

    After Continental failures, had Pirellis on my 2016 Model X and they still had 6-7 of tread after 20,000 miles. Great tire. Great ride and guaranteed to 65,000 miles. $222 at Discount Tire vs. $400 for Continentals crap at TESLA NO BRAINER!

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  10. Lhshockey24

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    VERY helpful, thanks so much! I’m going to ask the service center if I can run a square setup on the Model X (265 on front AND rear) before I give up on the A/S3+.
     
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    To be clear, the rears are not winter, they’re grand touring all season, but rated very well for winter according to Tire Rack’s rating.
     
  12. jerry33

    jerry33 (S85-3/2/13 traded in) X LR: F2611##-3/27/20

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    They are still quite different than the front. Tires are somewhat similar to wallpaper. Each batch may be different even if they are the same make and model of tire because the manufacturers change the specs arbitrarily. So tires should always be put on in sets of four (exception: staggered fitments). Mixing tires like that can really mess up the car's handling.
     
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  13. Lhshockey24

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    This is a staggered setup though, and it’s annoying not many tires come in both 265 and 275. I like the Pirelli suggestion. It’s too bad the lease only has a year left so the 65K tread life isn’t as useful.
     
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    jerry33 (S85-3/2/13 traded in) X LR: F2611##-3/27/20

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    Okay, cool. I wasn't aware it was staggered.
     
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  15. Terthen

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    I’m on the Pirellis as well. My stock continentals only lasted 20k miles. Hoping these last more. I haven’t noticed a difference in noise level or efficiency, and happy with how they are handling.
     
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    Tesla Model X Wheels and Tires Specifications

    I wonder if you are running 19", 20" or 22". From the specs you mentioned I'm guessing 20".

    wow, just looked at tirerack and there are very few tires that work on the Model X, less on 19" than 20" but a slightly different mix.

    If you are doing 20" the Crossclimate+ is the only all season option. If you are doing 19" the Perrilli SCORPION VERDE ALL SEASON is the only all season option. All the 22" tires are performance not LRR / "Eco Focus".

    I'd add my voice to everyone else in the thread that says; Put 4 of the same brand and style tire on there even if staggered by size between front and rear.
     
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    I am sure the Pirelli's will last longer. I had 20k miles on mine when I sold the 2016 Model X and they still looked like new (6-7 rating).

    Get this!!
    I went in for repairs on my new Raven Model X with 2132 miles on it. The service rep came by to give me a report on my tires.
    They were the factory Continental's and they were all at 7, yes 7 after 2132 miles. Someone out there getting a new X, check your tread.
    Could Continental actually be issuing new tires with less tread???? I wouldn't be surprised. What a worthless company. Why Tesla would associate with them is beyond me.
     
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  18. Lhshockey24

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    Hard to say why. Goodyears on my raven model S and michelins on all the model 3.
     
  19. jerry33

    jerry33 (S85-3/2/13 traded in) X LR: F2611##-3/27/20

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    #19 jerry33, Sep 2, 2019
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    No car manufacturer wants to be tied to a single supplier, because stuff happens, so they buy a certain amount from several. It's easiest, from a manufacturing point of view, to put one type on one production run.
     
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    Thanks buddy for your warning. I am still wondering what it would be like when installing 4 crossclimate.
    One choice is safe bud older design with Pirelli all season while the other one is new design, Michelin Crossclimate SUV. which one would you choose? Open for suggestion?
     

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