Water heater: Gas to electric conversion illegal in California?

[CrazyRabbit]

Your state punishes you for using more the your share. They want to force everyone into postage stamp housing, if your single in a 4 bedroom house they will force you out and give it to a family of 5 or more.

I have really no reason to do solar and PW’s other then I think it is cool, and the libs want to push up the cost of energy across the country.. oh and the zombies...

 

[msm859]

not trying to jack the current discussion of this thread but have basic questions about OP title
I will soon have solar as well as 2 PW and I currently have a newer 50gal ng water heater in 3 car garage home built in 2018
So if I understand correctly heat pump water heater pulls heat from (garage in my case) to slowly heat water and uses induction when necessary or based on programming
I have been wanting to cool garage anyway during summer for working out using home gym etc (Garage Hits 100 F often in summer) and was contemplating buying ceiling / attic fan for garage (with fire damper of course) so this would accomplish two things in my case ... cooling garage and lower ng use
I assume all I need is to run 30amp / 240v and rearrange inlet outlet / add expansion ... current ceiling vent for ng water heater would no longer be used. (Assume I have an uncle that is a plumber and another that is a decent electrician) and that we are not huge hot water users
Am I missing anything here? Downside other than initial cost (I’ll wait until maybe HD drops price again)

So I basically have that set up. In the winter I have a boiler for radiant heat and an indirect water heater. Come spring I turn that off and use my heat pump water heater for all my DHW until fall. In the winter I turn the heat pump water heater down to @80-90 as a preheater. Yes it does blow out cool air which is nice although I doubt enough to make much of a difference - for a 3 car garage (sq' - ceiling height?). If your garage is reaching a 100 degrees I would think something else is wrong. Are your walls/ceiling insulated? Double pane glass? Insulated garage doors? My garage is @1100 sq' with 10'+ ceilings and has never got that hot.

For my German heat pump water heater I only needed a 15 amp 240v connection.

 

[Electrph]

So I basically have that set up. In the winter I have a boiler for radiant heat and an indirect water heater. Come spring I turn that off and use my heat pump water heater for all my DHW until fall. In the winter I turn the heat pump water heater down to @80-90 as a preheater. Yes it does blow out cool air which is nice although I doubt enough to make much of a difference - for a 3 car garage (sq' - ceiling height?). If your garage is reaching a 100 degrees I would think something else is wrong. Are your walls/ceiling insulated? Double pane glass? Insulated garage doors? My garage is @1100 sq' with 10'+ ceilings and has never got that hot.

For my German heat pump water heater I only needed a 15 amp 240v connection.

Peaks at 100 few hours a day for a couple weeks In worst of summer prob average low 90’s out there during this time
Garage 9 foot ceiling garage doors uninsulated and face south so prob major source of heat / attic space over garage is not insulated .. unsure of walls not on living side .. house itself is amazingly well insulted (2018 CA build)
I may just hopefully wait for a future ng / heatpump hybrid water heater

 

[pdx_m3s]

Induction is better then gas!

100% yes! We went with induction for our new house and we love it. Better than gas.

 

[jboy210]

Your state punishes you for using more the your share. They want to force everyone into postage stamp housing, if your single in a 4 bedroom house they will force you out and give it to a family of 5 or more.

I have really no reason to do solar and PW’s other then I think it is cool, and the libs want to push up the cost of energy across the country.. oh and the zombies...

I hope you were just kidding.

California makes it easy for people to own as big as house as they can buy. With Prop 13 our property taxes are low (1.125% of purchase prices) and largely fixed (<2% increase in tax amount allowed) for the length of time, you own the home. I pay 1/4 to 1/5 what my new next door neighbor does for property taxes. Heck, I pay less than my relatives do for houses they paid 1/4 of our market value for in Austin. So my wife and I stay in our 5 bedroom house even though the cat is the only one that goes in certain rooms.

 

[wwhitney]

In California if you want to downsize houses, there are some provisions to fully or partially transfer your property tax valuation from your existing house to your new house.. I don't recall the details, there may be a minimum age requirement, and a limitation on the counties of the new and old house.

Cheers, Wayne

 

[CrazyRabbit]

I hope you were just kidding..

No, it is on the short list as well as taking your 401K!

I.... With Prop 13 our property taxes are low (1.125% of purchase prices) and largely fixed (<2% increase in tax amount allowed) for the length of time, you own the home. I pay 1/4 to 1/5 what my new next door neighbor does for property taxes. .

But you pay huge electric bills. Prop 13 is what happens when people vote power of the purse, you pay but I don’t have to. But California has income tax, high sales tax, and property tax. I’m surprised everyone in California isn’t on food stamps!

 

[NuShrike]

No, it is on the short list as well as taking your 401K!


But you pay huge electric bills. Prop 13 is what happens when people vote power of the purse, you pay but I don’t have to. But California has income tax, high sales tax, and property tax. I’m surprised everyone in California isn’t on food stamps!

Please take the politics out, or I will bring in my politics and blow up this thread.