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Wayland EV drags, Portland, July 23 & 24, 6pm

Discussion in 'News' started by Bud, Jul 19, 2010.

  1. Bud

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    Wish I could be there, but as you know, it's quite a haul for me.

    I finally got to drive a Roadster Sport about 6 weeks ago. It was worth the wait.

    All the best,

    Chris.
     
  3. Bud

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    Chris, good to hear from you! The drag race is a bit of a haul for me too, and I'm tempted to attend the world championship series road races at Laguna Seca instead.

    It's just that the Tesla guys had a good time last year, as did I, so I thought folks should at least be aware of the event. It seemed odd that there was no mention of it here.
     
  4. Palpatine

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    I went to the Wayland races in Portland last year.
    It was fun. But not worth doing twice.

    It is not an organized event. It is just sort of hanging out with a bunch of guys you don't know, then sometimes doing a run.
    It is also tough to find recharging because everyone is trying to get their car closer to the outlets.
     
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    I went to the Wayland races in Portland last year. It was fun, and totally worth doing again.

    It is not a formal race. It is more about hanging out with the EV community, meeting new people, doing outreach to the public, and getting to race as much as you want.

    Charging is a challenge as there's more demand than supply. It sure seems like the other guy is hogging the charging when you want your turn. Fortunately, with the Roadster, you really don't need much charging; each quarter mile run only uses about 5 ideal miles. As I recall, James got his best time at 50% charge, proving you don't have to charge all the way to the top to get the best performance.
     
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    #6 Palpatine, Jul 22, 2010
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    My best time was with a 75% charge. It was 12.643 seconds.
    When my charge was at 50% the time was around 12.9 to 13.0 seconds.

    So clearly there is a slight performance improvement as the Roadster approaches full charge.

    I never really got my Roadster up to 100% charge because of the lack of enough 50 amp charging outlets. If I had waited around for a full charge, there would have been far few runs. So I chose to just have more fun by doing more runs as opposed to sitting in the pits all night waiting.
     
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    Over here on the east coast...

    My best run has been 12.672 with a near 100% charge with the car only a couple weeks old in Aug 2009. This year in June my time was 0.09 slower with 100% charge, and using drag radials with lower tire pressure. I think your best times will be with the car new. After that it just gets slightly slower as the battery ages.
     
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    Wayland Invitational Results and Trip Report

    This year's Wayland Invitational was the most fun I've had with the Roadster since it arrived. Not only was the event a blast, I really enjoyed the drives down and back.

    Cathy and I posted this report (with slightly better formatting) and a gallery of photos on our web site.

    Driving to Portland via Cannon Beach

    Cathy and I started with a charge-scouting drive to Cannon Beach, Oregon. We stopped for lunch at the Artic RV Park and Tavern along highway 101 in Artic, Washington, a bit over halfway from Seattle to Cannon Beach. Cathy called ahead to confirm that the tavern would be open for lunch and ask about charging. When she explained that we wanted to plug in to charge our electric car while eating, the owner, Roy, responded enthusiastically and encouraged us to stop by. Forty minutes later, we pulled into the parking lot and he was outside greeting us before we'd made it into a parking spot. He led us to a NEMA 14-50 outlet and we had a nice chat while plugging in. We asked what he charged for the hook-up and he said we'd already paid for the electricity in information.

    In Cannon Beach, we stayed in a cabin at the Sea Ranch RV Park and charged at one of the NEMA 14-50 RV hook ups. They were packed to overflowing and so charged us their normal rate for the spot, as otherwise they probably could have rented it to an RV. Becky, the manager, was also incredibly interested in EVs and stayed to chat with us even though she was already late for getting home. (Note that you're expected to bring your own linens when staying in a cabin. Becky solved our problem with that even before she found out we were there in a cool car.)

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    We drove 207 miles that first day, mostly on tree-lined state highways with very little traffic, a very pleasant drive in cool, overcast weather. We spent an hour charging over lunch and another 45 minutes while unpacking and getting settled into the cabin. We got back from dinner at JP's and an excellent play at Coaster Theatre to plug in for the night around 10 pm. The car was fully charged before 5 am the next morning. We never had to "wait" for a charge, it just happened while we were doing something else. I don't miss gas stations at all.

    Friday morning, we stopped by Cannon Beach City Hall to chat with Mark See, the public works director. They are planning to include infrastructure for EV charging in an upcoming public parking lot remodel, but don't have specific plans for chargers yet. I'll follow up and try to help them avoid the usual rookie mistakes.

    We took state highway 26 to Portland, another great road winding through forest, this time in sunny weather. There was more traffic, but frequent passing lanes so we could pass or be passed as needed. We were motivated to preserve charge for the drag races that night, but there's a limit to how restrained I can be when I have plenty of charge to reach the destination and I'm driving behind a slow, ugly truck. Charging in range mode is great, but I'm a fan of switching back into standard mode for driving. Even when I'm driving for range/efficiency, I want access to the Roadster's acceleration when I need to pass a slower vehicle going up hill.

    The Wayland Invitational

    There were a bunch of EV drag racing legends at the event trying out newly revised vehicles. John Wayland and the White Zombie team had a new Dow/Kokum Lithium Ion battery pack, Father Time had a new dragster with 2 gigantic motors (one for each rear wheel, wired in series), Mike Willmon was there with Crazyhorse Pinto, Dave Cloud had his electric rail dragster. Some new cars there included Jay Donnaway in his Karmann Electric and Stephen Johnsen in his electric Fiero.

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    White Zombie fried their ailing dual 8-inch motors Friday, so the team worked around the clock to get new dual 9-inch motors installed. They got it done and put in some test runs Saturday night. There were some issues that prevented them from breaking their 1/4 mile record, but they blew away their 1/8 mile best with a high-six time. Their Zilla controller was shutting down, but even coasting for the second half, they put in a Roadster-roasting 11.7 1/4 mile ET at 80-something mph. When they get the bugs worked out, Zombie is going to set some records. John was giddy with the power of the LiIon pack, estimating 0-60 time at around 2.4 seconds and gloating about being able to drive home after three heavy track runs and no charging.

    Crazyhorse Pinto had some wild wheel-popping starts (some suspension adjustments are needed to get rid of the bounce) and his times were dropping down but the track did a poor job of scheduling the EVs on Saturday, limiting Mike (and the rest of us) to just a few runs each after they hit the noise curfew at 10 pm and kicked nearly all of the gas-burners off of the track.

    Jay and Stephen had a number of good runs, but I don't recall the times. They both seemed pretty happy with getting their cars on the track. Father Time had controller issues that kept him off the track despite several nights with only 4 hours of sleep getting ready. We're all pulling for him to get it on the track soon.

    Last year, Richard didn't take delivery of his Roadster until just after the Wayland Invitational, so we drove down together and took turns driving my Roadster. This year, Richard was excited to drive his car and I was anxious to see how my car performed compared to last year, being a year older and having just passed the 10,000 mile mark on the drive down to Cannon Beach.

    On Friday, Richard and I did eight runs each, all very consistent, me in the 13.2's and Richard in the 13.1's. I started around 65% charge in performance mode that night, better than Friday night last year. I was practicing the two-foot launch and trying to get decent reaction times.

    On Saturday, I was only able to get in four runs because of the track scheduling issues, all were head-to-head against Richard. My first run was a 13.3, but on the second run I got a good launch (0.187 sec RT) and took the lead. Hurtling down the track, Richard started to gain (and beat my 1/8 mile ET), but then I pulled ahead breaking into the 12's: 12.978 1/4 mile ET at 103.40 mph, actually edging out Richard for the "win." After the launch, there's isn't any great skill in keeping the Roadster in its lane and the accelerator pedal on the floor, but it was still pretty exciting to go neck-and-neck down the track at Roadster speeds. On the next run, Richard restored things to their normal order, pulling a 12.968 1/4 ET at 103.27 mph compared to my 13.007/103.40.

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    We were both quite pleased to break into the 12s, and I was especially thrilled to beat my best time from last year (12.982 1/4 mile ET at 103.48 mph) after a year and over 8,000 additional miles on the pack. To be fair, last year I was driving with traction control on and was pretty clumsy with the two-footed start, so I should have beat my time from last year by more than 0.004 seconds if all else were equal. There are many factors that affect performance (state of charge, battery pack temperature, tire pressure and tread, air temperature, humidity, track surface conditions, etc.), but whatever I've lost in my battery pack's power capacity is within the range of environmental conditions and variation in my limited driving skill.

    Car Shows and Parties

    It seems to me that just about everyone in the EV drag racing community is in this to demonstrate that EVs can be fun, exciting cars. In fact, I read about John Wayland and White Zombie before I'd even heard about Tesla Motors. Knowing that John and the rest of the NEDRA community were building electric super cars in their garages added credibility to Tesla's plans. If it weren't for that, I'm not sure I would have had the nerve to put down a deposit on a Roadster so early.

    The EV drag races are more about engaging the public in a dialog about electric cars through showing the cars than about winning races. Beating gas burners and setting records just quantifies EV progress.

    In addition to the ad-hoc car shows at the track, we gathered for the "Show and Shine" in the Village Inn parking lot Saturday morning. There was a great turnout of vehicles from the drag racing community and the broader EV community.

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    The Waylands also host a gathering at their home, aka the EV Juice Bar, where everyone collects to socialize, charge up, repair, upgrade, and commiserate. All the big EV experts collect there: Otmar Ebenhoech, Mike Willmon, Dave Cloud, Rich Rudman, Father Time, and others with experience in batteries, motors, controllers, and drag racing mechanics. It's amazing to see what goes on in John's garage, driveway, and yard as this community converges to share stories and expertise. My big contribution to the community was taking Jay Donnaway for a ride in the Roadster so he could buy a fuse at Radio Shack.

    Back to Seattle via Burgerville

    Cathy took the train back to Seattle Saturday afternoon, so I did the drive back solo. I stopped at the Centralia Burgerville, about halfway between Seattle and Portland, to use the Tesla high-power connector they had installed for Roadster charging. For the first half, I drove a steady 60 mph on cruise control, watching the outside temperature reading on the touchscreen rise steadily from 75 to the mid 80's. I spent about 35 minutes charging at Burgerville while I stretched my legs and enjoyed one of their cold smoothies. When I headed back to the car to field any questions while finishing the smoothie, a family of three had just pulled up. Mom was pointing to the cable plugged into the charge port, explaining the car to her son, "this is an electric car charging its batteries, we should all be driving electric cars." Drag racing is fun, and has real public outreach benefits, but moments like that are why we bought a Roadster.

    With the little bit of extra charging, I had more than enough charge to finish the last 90 miles no matter how I drove. As the temperature climbed into the 90's, even showing 107 degrees at one point in traffic, I jetted the rest of the way home going 70 mph with the AC on full blast.
     
  9. DaveD

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    In case anyone's wondering, the HPC there supplies 208V @ 70A.
     
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    I've never really liked quarter-mile drag racing (especially with the high powered cars of today) but Tom's outing made it sound like a lot of fun. :biggrin:

    Also, I think Tesla should put this quote on their website somewhere:
    That is one of the many awesome benefits to electric vehicles. Plug it in when you aren't using the car and it will be charged by the time you need the car again.
     
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    Thanks for the trip report, tomsax!
     
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    #12 tomsax, Aug 1, 2010
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    On Friday, July 30, DaveD and I watched John Wayland's White Zombie set a street-legal EV 1/4 mile world record at Portland International Raceways: 10.400 sec 1/4 mile ET at 117.21 mph, best 1/8 mile time was 6.533 sec ET at 106.33 mph. The 0-60 time is estimated to be somewhere around 1.9 seconds.

    Congratulations to John Wayland, his driver Tim Brehm, and the rest of the White Zombie team.

    After setting the record, John drove it home.

    White Zombie has a Dow Kokam Lithium Ion battery pack about half the size of the Roadster's, which means this record-setting dragracer has "only" a 100-mile range.

    John and the team are just getting started with the new battery pack and motor setup. Friday was just another test run to see what the Zombie can do. They're still not running at full current. I'm expecting to see even better numbers at the NEDRA Nationals in Portland on September 10-11.

    I also set a new personal best in Roadster road trip time/distance that day: Dave and I carpooled from Seattle to Portland to see White Zombie run, stopping for a sandwich and 27 minutes of 208V/70A charging at the Centralia Burgerville. I charged for three hours at 240V/40A while we were at the track, did one 1/4 mile run, then we headed back to Seattle. We did have to stop and wait while we charged up for two hours at Burgerville on the way back.

    The full round trip, with 90 minutes lost to horrible traffic, was 377 miles in 15 hours. I used 114 kWh from the wall, for an average efficiency of 302 Wh/mile, including the 1/4 mile run.

    If we could get an HPC at the track, we would have been able to do the whole drive with no waiting for charging, shaving two hours off the time.
     
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    #13 DaveD, Aug 1, 2010
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    Here are my videos of the record-setting White Zombie runs. Note that the second run is against a Nissan GT-R.


     

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