ThomasD
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Maybe it is just me but I think it will take a very longtime before Waymo or Cruise will be able to operate in every large metro area in every State or even travel outside those metro areas.
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That's in the ballpark. Maybe a bit low on the vehicle -- the smaller BYD Dolphin with 30 kWh LFP pack is $15k in China after subsidy.
I have a Lotus Elise. They built ~5000 per year of those, in England no less, and retail price was $45k in the US.You guys are comparing a mass production vehicle to a specialized vehicle built for one company? If Tesla only built 10,000 Model 3s, each of them would probably cost $150,000.
The base Origin vehicle has more in common with a golf cart than a Corvette. I don't know if it will even be highway capable. So far Cruise doesn't exceed 25 mph.
Looks like Cruise is not planning to limit it to 25mph. Here is the NHTSA "Notice of receipt of petition for temporary exemption; request for public comment."I believe there is a federal regulation that limits vehicles with no steering wheels to 25 mph, unless they get a special exemption. So the Origin will probably be restricted to 25 mph. Plus, the Origin seems designed to basically serve as a city shuttle. So, it will probably just do ride sharing around the city at 25 mph. I don't think it is ever intended to drive on the highway.
Looks like Cruise is not planning to limit it to 25mph. Here is the NHTSA "Notice of receipt of petition for temporary exemption; request for public comment."
"NHTSA seeks comment on whether the agency should apply the same types of conditions that it applied to Nuro's exemption for ADS-equipped low-speed occupantless vehicles. NHTSA seeks comment not only on whether these conditions are appropriate to apply to GM's exemption, if granted, but also whether there are additional terms that NHTSA should apply. GM's exemption request differs significantly from Nuro's in that the request is for a passenger vehicle, and it is not limited to 25 mph, as was the case of the Nuro vehicle. As such, there are likely to be additional terms that would be appropriate to apply to GM's exemption, if granted."
Cruise Origin weighs 3,084kg! This is probably a good idea for passenger safety given how often people run into them.
They applied for an exemption for the Bolt back in 2018. They pulled that application in 2020 when they revealed the Origin and said they'd seek an exemption for it, instead.Thanks. So Cruise is seeking an exemption. Good to know.
Wow. Looked like their were a few opportunities before it finally went. FSDb and Waymo UPLs might be a tie.
Wow. Looked like their were a few opportunities before it finally went. FSDb and Waymo UPLs might be a tie.
I’d say FSDb has the edge here, for sure. But of course you have a human at the wheel to squash any of those fatal attempts. So hard to compare.FSDb and Waymo UPLs might be a tie.
I’d say FSDb has the edge here, for sure. But of course you have a human at the wheel to squash any of those fatal attempts. So hard to compare.
The occupants were amused, apparently at how bad it was. Not surprisingly.
Pretty sure all robotaxis are kind of garbage, though one of these days I’d like to ride in one so I can stop speculating.
FSDb does not have the edge. Waymo waited awhile to complete the turn but there was good cause to wait. There was a lot of traffic and it was dark, with obstacles blocking the view
And if you need a driver to squash the fatal attempts, you automatically fail.
I mean with awesome LIDAR it should have been no problem but missed huge gaps you could sail an aircraft carrier through at around 1:11 remaining and :26 remaining. These were more than 5 second gaps. Just go! The car knows nothing is coming - as you say it has super human perception - so what is the problem? I could see these gaps with my eyes - you can tell from reflections and stuff that there is no traffic coming. Trivial perception job.
No, just want it to drive like an excellent human driver. Confident, assured, comfortable ride, with minimized jerk.. I guess you think it should have gunned it in the turn like FSDb does. I think Waymo does not like to do that because sudden accelerations can be unpleasant for passengers.
No, just want it to drive like an excellent human driver. Confident, assured, comfortable ride, with minimized jerk.