We must face facts - meat is the problem

[DrGriz]

As a retired beef producer, this anti meat cliche is very uniformed. First 90% of all cattlemen are very environmental conscious, its to our benefit if the grasslands stay healthy so our 4 stomach gazers can forage, raising a calf or yearling, using their microorganisms to break down the callous of plants that humans cant consume, So basically you have a vegetarian eating indigestible grass and producing high grade proteins and micro nutrients'. Real truth is government pays farmers to row crops, before growing crops the farmer tills the land than roundup the soil to kill all life, so these new approved crops can grow without much input or conflict. We as carnivores, with the newer research shows animal products, meat, diary, preferred to aid in digestion, giving humans the best nutritious value and easily, naturally digestible nutrition for your body.
Important to look at the whole picture, Media lies, education system is broken, people are sick at a record level, and fat. You our what you eat, Humans our meat eaters, Agriculture revolution is a newer phenomenon. Agriculture is extremely hard on nature, what we are taught is not exactly true,
So if your extremely healthy keeping on keeping on, if not look for alternative information, personally we don't care what you eat, as free people.

You make some good points. That said, the impact of cattle on the environment at the levels we currently enjoy, cannot be denied. Somewhere there's a sweet spot between lower demand, reduced intensity, and balancing diet better than many of us do.

 

[David_Cary]

Yes. Of course.

Therefore my point: it fulfills your remark. Plants can do all of that if they are sprinkled with animal stuff. They aren't exempt. They can also transmit chemicals which are carcinogenic/poisonous/etc. in addition.

This is why we have to wash our plant foods and often they are safest if they are cooked, too.

We agree that vegetarianism is superior in many ways, but we need to be careful about putting it on too high of a pedestal.

Environmentally, widespread vegetarianism would definitely be beneficial to the climate. So would fewer people, thereby reducing the size of the impact of animal farming through lower demand.

At least in the shorter term - more vegetarianism would lead to longer life expectancy and a greater population. People might also feel better and would go out and travel more. On the flip side, they could do with smaller cars but the planes would be the same.

 

[CyberGus]

So would fewer people, thereby reducing the size of the impact of animal farming through lower demand.

Ah, so you’re “Team Thanos”

 

[DrGriz]

Ah, so you’re “Team Thanos”

There is a part of me that thinks that humanity deserves the extinction it seems to be attempting on itself.

 

[mspohr]

There is a part of me that thinks that humanity deserves the extinction it seems to be attempting on itself.

Unfortunately, the people who are becoming extinct are not the same ones causing the extinction.

 

[DrGriz]

Unfortunately, the people who are becoming extinct are not the same ones causing the extinction.

I think we'll all go down with the ship: captain, crew, and passengers.

 

[CyberGus]

I think we'll all go down with the ship: captain, crew, and passengers.

Every time NASA announces some asteroid near-miss, I think "awwww, we were so close to solving all these problems"