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Week One Observations - Nashville P85D

Discussion in 'Model S' started by tstafford, Aug 22, 2015.

  1. tstafford

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    All,

    Been using heavy doses of TMC as therapy to get thru the long wait while my car was built and shipped. I feel like I owe a good write-up as my contribution back. So here goes. Note: Took delivery on Monday August 17.

    If it matters my most recent car (traded on the MS) was a 2013 535i with a Stage One Dinan ECU upgrade. That car makes something like 360 bHP and 390 lb-ft

    Delivery Experience:
    The delivery experience was good. The DS was patient and willing to spend as much time with me as needed. I’m a terrible addict when it comes to cars (I’m 43 yrs old and have owned more than 45 cars). I’ve never sat thru the delivery process and always just asked for the keys. In this case an hour and a half passed before I realized. Even if you think you can figure it all out on your own – set some time aside for the delivery process. It was fun and informative

    The car was extremely clean inside and okay (not great) on the outside. I didn’t make a fuss in part because it was raining yesterday in Nashville. I checked it over carefully for paint issues and found none

    I didn’t get any swag which was kind of a bummer. They did give me some nice leather key covers with rings on them. Probably standard and I like them

    side notes:
    • Product Specialist at the Nashville SC said there have only been two (including mine) deliveries in the last four weeks
    • They know nothing about timing on either 7.0 (of course) or Ludicrous upgrade. And only about 5 or 6 people have asked to be on the upgrade list. I’m apparently near the top of the list because I called to discuss cancelling the P85D order in order to get a P90D right after the announcement. They explained the upgrade option and put me on the list at that time

    Initial Issues:
    Just one minor issue on the driver’s seat – the front edge of the next gen leather isn’t properly attached. It’s a big plastic clip that needs to be stretched over a bar under the seat. Not a huge deal. Will get it fixed at some point

    Charging:
    Very simple. I was pleased that the NEMA 14-50 in my garage worked. It was included with the build of my home (in anticipation of a Model S at some point) and I had no good way to test it. No reason to think it wouldn’t work, just it would be my luck to bring home the car and find I couldn’t charge it

    I did have one issue in the early evening day one (6:30 pm) where the car dropped to 30amps. It said there was a charging issue. I removed the plug, put it back in, bumped it back to 40amps and it’s worked fine since. I’m guessing that was a peak usage time both for the neighborhood and my own home and the car didn’t like that.

    I notice that the power fluctuates a bit. Amps blips between 39 and 40 and volts ranges from 236-240 but is usually either 238 or 239. I’m trying not to concern myself with this as I have no experience with Tesla, no knowledge of electricity and no engineering degree. Still I watch it because I can’t get myself not to watch it

    Range:
    See below where I talk about power and handling, but I’ll never get anywhere close to the rated range. It’s too early to know what I will actually get but my bet is something like 180 miles. That’s totally fine by me because I’ll rarely (if ever) take a road trip in the car. It’s for commuting to work and having fun in Nashville. My guess is that it will seldom drop below 50% charge

    Power:
    A lot of talk on the boards these days is about Ludicrous Mode (and I’m likely to get it too) but the P85D has a lot of guts. I’m not longing for more power. Off the line it is crazy, passing power is very strong and the power is instant which makes accelerating out of curves great. However, I can see what people mean about the passing power. While it’s very strong in comparison to the 0-30 power it’s simply above average to very good. I think the issue is the 0-30 power is just so crazy that the rest of it humbles in comparison. Unless you are buying the car purely as a hotrod I highly doubt you will be disappointed with the power

    I’m a Porsche guy and the power of the P85D is most similar to my 997TT. The TT pulled endlessly which was very cool but somewhat useless in daily applications – you could be going 120 by the time you entered a highway off a long on ramp. Both the TT and the P85D share a trait – they are very civilized if you treat them gently – that’s a huge value to me. The P85D is a nice car to cruise around in and enjoy yourself. There no effort required but if you want to apply effort to it and have a little extra fun, it’s there for you

    Handling (note: I have the coil suspension)
    As I mentioned I am a Porsche guy and my favorites for handling were my 2004 996 GT3 and my 2010 Cayman S. The GT3 of course required a lot more care when driving but you could get a whole heck of a lot out of it – especially that model because it had reduced nannie systems compared to other 911s.

    The P85D handles nothing like those cars. Nor would you expect it to. I’d have to look it up but it might be almost 2K heavier than the GT3. It drives heavy and solid. Glued to the road and impossible to get rear end movement to the limits I’ve taken it so far. It overcomes this somewhat cumbersome feel with the power it applies instantaneously as you are coming out of turns.

    It’s a GT not a sports car IMHO. It has a great blend of stability, smoothness, power and control. It’s not a race car. It’s a very capable high performance luxury sedan that has nice weight distribution/AWD neutral handling

    For my money a perfect combo would be the Tesla and a GT3. That is a ying/yang pairing. So now I have to hit the lottery and convince my wife I need a GT3 on top of the Tesla (not likely in the near term)

    Things I like
    • TACC – Normally I don’t like cruise control. I find myself fiddling with it and accidentally turning it off more than I am benefiting from it. TACC is something totally different. It changes the way I drive. I use it primarily in stop and go traffic on secondary roads. It’s fantastic for that. Makes it stress free to drive home from work in the evening. Lane Keeping will be great but I have no complaints about Auto Pilot for now although I suspect if I had paid for it months ago I’d be itchy to get the full feature set
    • Home Charging – It’s obvious but home charging is so great. Always a full battery and no more discovering you blew off the gas station the day before and are now running late because of an early meeting
    • Pre-cooling – It’s just awesome to get in to a nice cool car. I also like knowing that I am using the house electricity to cool the car. Not sure why I care about that since I plug it in daily, but I like it
    • Precise front parking warning – Giving the distance to the curb in inches is just smart. Every car should have this

    Things I don’t like (and I’m nitpicking and digging deep here)
    • Guilt – I feel like I’m wasting power when I drive the car hard. Somehow it’s made me more conscious of this. I bought the car for performance, comfort and technology. Now I feel environmental guilt. This is a good thing of course and I’m going to mash the accelerator occasionally but not always!!
    • Audio – It’s weak for sure. I couldn’t justify the UHFS because historically all I listen to in the car is podcasts. But . . .for some reason the car has me listening to music all the time. I’ve never used Slacker but it’s good and works well with the voice control. Kind of wish I’d sprung for the UHFS
    • Size – It’s big. I could go for it being a few inches shorter and narrower. I’d rather it was 5-series sized not 7-series sized

    Other:
    • Visible Tesla – Visible Tesla is huge for me. Technology was a major factor in buying the MS. I co-own a software company and I’m a tech nerd. Visible Tesla lets me play with my car any time I want. I keep it running in one of my monitors so I can see status and precool whenever I want. Thanks to Joe for writing the app
    • Opticoat – I have a separate post on this. Wanted an enduring shine w/o a ton of work. Time will tell
    • Formula One Pinnacle Tint – getting applied on Monday. I will post picture before and after in the same location at same time of day

    Final thoughts: It’s a great car. I can’t see how it would ever become boring. If that’s true, it’s pretty special. I’d be curious to drive an 85D. I wonder if the extra power of the P85D is worth the cash for most people. I’m glad I got it because I wanted no regrets or lingering questions but it might be a waste of money. But that’s easy to say when I have it of course

    Oh and still waiting for my first Tesla moment. No one has asked me anything about the car. Maybe Nashville is so behind the curve that everyone just thinks it’s a Toyota Avalon

    Thanks for reading,
    Tim
     
  2. CleanPower

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    Me too! My car is on the train and I'm expecting to take delivery in a couple weeks.
    Great writeup and thanks for the reminder to install Visible Tesla!!!
     
  3. peteyswift

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    Awesome write-up! Love it when car and tech guys geek out on their new P85D!
     
  4. Nashville P85D

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    Great write-up. Can't wait to check it out after tint and paint treatment. I had my center console installed on Thursday and they had a new midnight silver P85D that was being delivered....but it was going to Memphis. So far I really like the center console it has a factory look and I finally have some space to store change, charge my phone, etc.

    I also had a 997TT and also a 997GT3....we can compare and contrast when we meet up!
     
  5. Tesla S1

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    great explanation. I just got back from 26 hr road trip picking up my P85D from my first S60. HUGE difference in the two. My opinion is there is a substantial difference in UHFS versus the Stock. Really enjoy the UHFS. Are you getting the Tesla Wall Connector? Keep us posted.
     
  6. ArtInCT

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    Thanks for the writeup. Well Done. I too wonder what the ride and acceleration differences are of a P90D Insane vs P90D Ludicrous vs the 90D.
    Perhaps you can update us all on or about 2 weeks in. I am sure that more honest reactions and feedback will come forward as you spend more time with the P85D.

    Key question, are you smiling a lot? And when not in or fussing with the P85D are you wishing you were? Those are key tells for me.

    Love your statement on the environmental guilt of using the Go Pedal. There has got to be some Tee-Shirt material in there somewhere.

    ARTinCT

    - - - Updated - - -

    I was following your trip BTW, did you do the entire drive yourself or was there a co-pilot?
    Do you have any post trip experiences and assessments to share?
    Did you find the most comfortable seat position over time?
    Did you use the TACC feature on the long trip?
    Did the Nav system fail you in any way?
    When you supercharged, to what % did you charge to typically?

    I did some math and calculated that I would spend about 8 hours supercharging a P90D going from Conn. to Naples FL however 2 recharges would be done at the end of the day so perhaps 6 hours waiting on the road. I would need a rest and important stretch by every 3 hours anyway.
     
  7. tstafford

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    For sure on the fussing part - I want to be messing with the car at all times. Finding reasons to drive places a lot. My wife loves that aspect of the whole thing.
     
  8. Tesla S1

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    ArtInCT: do not want to hijack thread. Will reply on my Range thread.
     
  9. ArtInCT

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    Ok... that said you are infatuated with this car. Thumbs UP.
     
  10. Fred Drake

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    I would have to cite my source on this, but I remember reading in the official forums of people preferring aftermarket sound system upgrades that they deemed better and cheaper than the optional upgrade. That was my primary determinant to not getting the upgrade when ordering my Model S.
     
  11. ArtInCT

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    Fred, what exactly are your plans with aftermarket system?
     
  12. CSFTN

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    I just had a brand new P85D midnight silver loaner from Nashville, and I am in Memphis. Was the car you saw being loaded into an open air trailer, or an enclosed car transport?

    also, had formula one ceramic tint installed last week, at Tennessee Tint. Too early to comment on, yet, as the car spent most of the week at the Nashville SC.
     
  13. cyberkryten

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    Oh how happy that makes me, nine days time and that's what I'll have (I did use the GT3 as an only car for 18 months)

    Great writeup, enjoy :)
     
  14. Nashville P85D

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    When I got there it was on the sales floor - I inquired about it and they said they were sending it to Memphis for a delivery that day (Thursday) - I didn't see what sort of truck it was being loaded on.

     
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    I assume that means Formula One Pinnacle - I think that's their ceramic (same one I'm getting today). What percentage did you have them do?
     
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    Nice informative review; when you said two deliveries in the last four weeks, do you mean two P85D or two Teslas total?
     
  17. tstafford

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    I asked the same question - apparently total MS. I was surprised, felt special for a minute and then was kind of sad about it.
     
  18. Pete85D

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    Very similar experience to Tstafford after one week and 800 miles. Love almost everything. Have the Wall connector and in early evening am drawing 30AMPS vs 40AMPS. Always at 227-229 when I leave in the morning. Got the front console and it works fine. I thought the Bose sound in my in 2013 A8 was deeper and richer than the upgraded system I have in the P85D. Seems like the chrome on the window trim and door handles is easy to smudge. The nose cone is taking a bug beating and I want to see how the Xpel holds up. Love rarely using the brakes. I also love the attention the MC Red gets. While my wife misses the massaging seats in the Audi, the next gen seats are more supportive and comfortable. I'll get the ludicrous upgrade but not because it's needed. After buying cars for over 45 years this is the first car I ever had built per order. It's the most memorable of all the cars --after 800 miles.
     
  19. CSFTN

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    Sides and hatch Formula One Pinnacle 35%, windshield 80% (air blue, not pinnacle)
     
  20. tstafford

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    A few people sent me private messages asking that I update this thread periodically. So I will do so. Now three weeks in. Definitely agree with Pete85D - the chrome smudges easily!

    Charging - knock on wood. The 30amp issue I experienced day one hasn't returned. Hopefully it was just an anomaly.

    Tint - I continue to like the Formula One Pinnacle tint. 35% seems like a good level of shade. I was a tad worried that I'd have trouble seeing out the sides at night but this isn't the case. I'd go with the same stuff - Formula One Pinnacle again without hesitation.

    Small Project - I installed the UMC wall bracket from UberEV1 along with the Tesla cable organizer and I like the set up. It’s nice to not have the weight of the UMC brick hanging on the plug. That worried me a tiny amount – and now it doesn’t. (Pic below).

    Power Consumption - I’m beginning to wonder how many miles I need to put on the car for my power consumption to approach what my “normal” average will be. I’m currently averaging well over 400 Wh/mi and have about 800 miles on the car. I’m sure this will find its level at some point, but I’m wondering when. My current consumption leaves me with about 180 miles per charge at 90% which is fine I guess. I don’t feel like I’m driving the car super aggressively but I do like to play around with it!
    Ludicrous Mode Upgrade – Becoming convinced that I will go ahead with the upgrade. I admit that I’ve become spoiled by power – I am a smidge disappointed with the highway passing power – 50 to 70 and 70 to 90 just don’t have the visceral feel that I would like. By no means should anyone read that the car is slow – just the low end power is so amazing that the higher end (while super fast by any normal standards) feels lacking.

    Lease – As I mentioned in another thread the P85D is the first car I’ve ever leased. I has nothing to do with money and everything to do with being honest with myself. I know that I will periodically want the newest model – heck I’m already a tiny bit irritated that the P90D is out. The lease puts me on a leash (I am stuck for three years) but gives me a defined upgrade schedule – and one that the wife is signed off on. I think this was the right move. The downside is that I am counting the days that pass without the ludy upgrade because that’s one less day over which to amortize the cost.

    Surprise – I thought the thing that would make me like the car the most was the raw power (and that is for sure awesome) but if forced to I think the serenity of the driving experience is what makes me the most happy. The combination of the way the power comes on, the quiet, the smoothness and the sterility of the cabin design makes the car a wonderful environment to be in. I just like being in the car.

    More to come.
     

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