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What’s next after FSD?

Discussion in 'Autopilot & Autonomous/FSD' started by Rolls14, Aug 14, 2019.

  1. Octo

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    I love this, but the reality is that the USA has a massive legal system with hordes of lawyers and nothing is as ironclad as corporate lawyers want it to be. It’s simply not as easy as saying “but but but the FINEPRINT”.
     
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  2. BigD0g

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    But, Elon is feature complete this year! HA HA HA!
     
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    Yes, just like that lovely $228 we got for the EAP fiasco. The only people that will win are the lawyers
     
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  4. EVNow

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    The actual myth is that you can't achieve L5 (which is not FSD, BTW) with current hardware.

    Anyone who says he knows what it will take to get to L5 is speculating at best. The truth is nobody knows, for sure.

    May be it will take a different type of neural net, may be it will take some breakthrough in software … who knows.
     
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  5. Rolls14

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    Thank you for all the information Just made the purchase. I guess only time will tell.
     
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    I noticed that the Model Y configurator does not have any "coming later this year" FSD features. All FSD features are listed together:

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    Perhaps since the Model Y is scheduled to start production late 2020, Tesla expects to have all those features already available by then?
     
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  7. EVNow

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    Since Model Y itself won't be available this year, it would make little sense to differentiate between what is available now and will com elater. Basically everything will only come later.
     
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    Yeah. I guess I am just thinking that the wording might be a bit misleading or confusing. The page gives the impression that all the FSD features will be available when you get your Model Y even though Tesla can't possibly know that yet.
     
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    But it is in the official we page and you ticked the box when buying. So it must mean something.
     
  10. AlanSubie4Life

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    I don't understand this statement. Not sure which vehicles/buyers you are referring to here who would be eligible for such upgrades. For recent FSD buyers at least, there's no obligation for Tesla to upgrade beyond HW3, assuming HW3 is good enough for L2 City NoA & Sign Recognition & Response.

    They're done at that point - people buying FSD today are definitely not buying any guarantee of robotaxi capability. Tesla has been super clear on this.
     
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    Let us assume at some point Tesla actually gets to robotaxi level. Then the plan is for Tesla to start something like user - call it Tesla Network/TN. Every Tesla can be a part of that TN - and if we put our car on the network, it gets used on TN. For every $1 that we earn on TN, Tesla gets 25%. Let us assume this is only possible if HW3 is upgraded to HW4.

    Given all these assumptions, it would be beneficial for Tesla to upgrade the car to HW4 - if you put the car on the network.
     
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    Assuming HW4 doesn't involve a complete sensor overall and is backwards compatible with HW3
     
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    Sure, I could see it in that hypothetical case (as mentioned above, assuming no sensor enhancements are required). But the owner would be on the hook for the Tesla Network; it's not a Tesla obligation to upgrade.
     
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    Not Tesla obligation to upgrade - but would make business sense.
     

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