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What will the actual range be when released?

Discussion in 'Cybertruck' started by Nuclear Fusion, Jul 30, 2020.

  1. Nuclear Fusion

    Nuclear Fusion Active Member

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    Model Y was proposed at 290 miles, but ended up at 315 miles
    So could the Cybertruck end up at 275, 330 & 550 miles?
     
  2. M_D129

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    I’d love to see those figures be with x-amount of towing considered, and for us all to be genuinely shocked when the reality hits us in the face.

    Not likely, but one can hope and dream!

    Since the announcement, I have strongly suspected the + means more than we can imagine. Given Elon’s own statements about Battery Day, and the impact it will have, there’s something positive hiding out there.
     
  3. Nuclear Fusion

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    Towing capacity won’t have as much percentage effect on range as other Teslas, because it has the most drag & most weight
    Model X loses half its range when towing a heavy caravan. I reckon CT will lose 30% for the same - so 350 miles on tri motor
    They have to redesign supercharging bays to allow for towing
     
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    I’ve seen at least one supercharger you pull into forward vs reverse. It’s perfectly located on the way to my cabin. Will work great once I’m driving my CT.
     
  5. CyberGus

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    I'm guessing they rated the CT range as "300+" or "500+" because they're anticipating gains in battery technology, but didn't want any spoilers ahead of Battery Day. So I'm expecting the CT to have record-setting range, in part because of the aforementioned towing losses.
     
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  6. Nuclear Fusion

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    Has anyone tried to estimate battery pack size?
    I’m guessing the tri motor will have 150KWh
     
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    Worst case with off-road tires (at 400 Wh/m consumption): 100, 120, 200.
    Best case with LRR highway tires (at 320-330 Wh/m consumption: 78, 100, 165.
     
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  8. Drax

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    Considering Elon recently said that 300 miles is essentially the low benchmark, I’m thinking best case scenario will be

    RWD: 300 miles / 100kWh
    AWD: 425 / 150kWh
    TRI: 550 / 200kWh

    That’s still likely quite optimistic, but it’s fun speculation.
     
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  9. Hovscorpion1

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    The likely range of the Cybertruck will be below. The reason why is due to the superior intelligence of Tesla's engineers. Tesla's newest battery pack is expected to be announced in the Sept battery day. In 6 months engineers will optimize the packs to be supper efficient. Pair that with the 200 kWh packs and you have a monster of a car. Don't get me started with the roadster's official range.

    Single - 300 Miles
    Duel-Motor - 500 Miles
    Tri-Motor - 800 Miles
     
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    With a 200 kWh battery pack, do you think Tesla will release a "Gen 4" wall charger? The Gen 3 has 11kW output, which would take 18+ hours for full charge.
     
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    Now that ... is a really good question.
     
  12. Silver Ghost

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    I was thinking more like
    150 for short range
    200 for mid range
    And 250 for long range
    Anything less than 250 means we will be supercharging a lot when towing - given Texas speed and temperatures.
     
  13. KBowden

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    A better route planner has their guestimate at 485wh/mile at 65mph, which is close to mine which was based on what the model x consumes then recalculated for the different CdA.
    That would give an approximate 120kwh for the rwd,
    145kwh for the dual motor and 242 for the tri.

    The pack sizes would probably be 120, 150, 250kwh respectively.

    As far as range while towing it will depend entirely on what you are towing. Because the range is largely based on being decently aerodynamc towing a large non-aerodynamic box of a trailer could see the range drop to less than half.

    When TFL truck did their model x test (worst case scenario a 5000lb empty box of a trailer) their average was north of 1kw per mile. It wouldn't be hard to imagine the Cybertruck exceeding that.
     
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    You guys are thinking more about realistic range driving fast and doing useful work. You guys forget (or might not know) that Tesla's EPA rated range is a bit optimistic and quoted for a slower speed. Look at how the range changed on Raven Model S and X (pretty dramatically) with the same battery size as before (Model S went from 322 to 402 miles). Can also be seen with Model 3 going from 240 miles on SR+ and 310 miles LR to 250 and 322. These were with no capacity increase in the battery, but I see posts complaining of range degradation all the time or people getting less miles than rated because they aren't driving under ideal conditions. So Tesla increases efficiency over time by reducing weight, improving software algorithms, and reducing friction. However, don't expect Cybertruck range to be with towing. I also don't expect the battery to be over 200 kWh, but only time will tell.
     
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    Just based on the rough math pulling my 22’ 6800lb camper 5k-10k miles a summer with my LX, very similar size and cd. I see ~1200-1400 Wh/mi INCREASE in energy usage running 55-60 mph. If I increase to 65-70 mph then it’s a 1800-2000 Wh/mi increase. I get 17 mpg doing the same drive not towing that I get 8-9 mpg towing.

    again all rough estimates but I am betting pulling my ORV 22BHS (6800 lbs) with the CT I’d see 1600-2k+ Wh/mi.
     
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  16. CyberGus

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    You're gonna need a bigger batt
     
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  17. TessP100D

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    The real range will be released when Tesla actually makes some test vehicles, they get tested, and then The EPA will Tell us. All the rest is just speculation.
     
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  18. sperkin

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    I'm hoping for 600 miles.

    What people don't realize is the last 5-10% is not utilized and hardly anyone charges to 100%. Also, most drive faster than the speed limit. With a larger battery and range you can charge to more range faster.

    So I think with 600 range, you can charge from 60 miles to 480 miles in 30 min. To get this same range from a 30 min charge would take 1.5 hours in a Model 3.
     
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    Tri motor will be 600
     
  20. Dan Detweiler

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    To keep it simple, I'll guess 50 miles over quoted on all models. Probably pretty conservative.

    Dan
     

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