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The average price of a f150 is no where near ~$35k. I just went to ford’s web site. The rock bottom price for a 2022 ICE f150 basic XL is ~$33k for 4x4 it is $38k. A basically equipped XLT (just added 4x4, tow package) gets it to >$48k. Jump to a Lariat and add the tech stuff (auto pilot, air play,…) it jumps to ~$70k. Just for fun a built out A raptor at ~$90k. A limited is >$80kTesla won’t need double the capacity with the 4680 cel, they will likely only need a 100kW pack to achieve the 300 mile range, so that’s like 20% larger than a Y pack. Also you have to consider margin will be = or greater than the Y LR due to manufacturing process, Mega casting and no paint... Just for reference the average price F-150 is $35k… if Tesla wants to beat all the ICE companies they must be competitive
Ok... you got me... it not $35k but if the average price on an F-150 the best-selling truck is $49k that means a whole lot of trucks are sold at $49k or less. So my point still stands the CT needs to be closer to $49k if they want to capture the market... Why do you think the 2 motor was priced at $49k..The average price of a f150 is no where near ~$35k. I just went to ford’s web site. The rock bottom price for a 2022 ICE f150 basic XL is ~$33k for 4x4 it is $38k. A basically equipped XLT (just added 4x4, tow package) gets it to >$48k. Jump to a Lariat and add the tech stuff (auto pilot, air play,…) it jumps to ~$70k. Just for fun a built out A raptor at ~$90k. A limited is >$80k
Average US purchase price in 2019 (pre crazy price increases) was ~$49k. I
Ok... you got me... it not $35k but if the average price on an F-150 the best-selling truck is $49k that means a whole lot of trucks are sold at $49k or less. So my point still stands the CT needs to be closer to $49k if they want to capture the market... Why do you think the 2 motor was priced at $49k..
None of this matters now that the EV credits list the Max and this is what Tesla will
The F150 has a super functional interior. Something the truck masses love. People don’t want the vents controlled on the screen, a sparse j terror, etc. I’ll say the F150 has a really refined interior over the years based on feedback.I will agree that the Rivian interior looks nice but the Ford Lightning is literally just an old Ford truck interior with a touch screen slapped in it. Tons of buttons and very outdated and ugly compared to Rivian and Tesla.
and the F150 has door handles / a steering wheel and not "the doors will open if the sensors think you want to enter" and "a yoke is all you need". I have a very very hard time seeing mass truck market appeal without door handles and a freakin' yokeThe F150 has a super functional interior. Something the truck masses love. People don’t want the vents controlled on the screen, a sparse j terror, etc. I’ll say the F150 has a really refined interior over the years based on feedback.
Don't forget you can't use a touch screen with regular gloves. Also the yoke is simply non-functional for anyone who tows.The F150 has a super functional interior. Something the truck masses love. People don’t want the vents controlled on the screen, a sparse j terror, etc. I’ll say the F150 has a really refined interior over the years based on feedback.
That's not a universal truth. Backing with the yoke is fine. Maybe you feel the learning curve would be too much or annoying for you? That's fine, but there are no issues backing with the yoke for me and others that have used it on a daily basis.Also the yoke is simply non-functional for anyone who tows.
a steering wheel is still more functional and offers more control surface in a truck (or any car)... the shifting gears only via touch screen/ stalkless / no door handles / signaling via touch on the yoke are all *really* bad ideas if the driver wears gloves.That's not a universal truth. Backing with the yoke is fine. Maybe you feel the learning curve would be too much or annoying for you? That's fine, but there are no issues backing with the yoke for me and others that have used it on a daily basis.
People can take gloves off. Is this really a "thing" to talk about when it's such a low percentage of drivers? "What if a driver wears gloves" is near the bottom of the list of things that should shape the roadmap of a vehicle. That's such a ridiculous talking point.a steering wheel is still more functional and offers more control surface in a truck (or any car)... the shifting gears only via touch screen/ stalkless / no door handles / signaling via touch on the yoke are all *really* bad ideas if the driver wears gloves.
if that is all the case... why in the world would you need "bulletproof" stainless steel panels and windows then? seems like total overkill for a vehicle which is leisure and light use only. regarding gloves: Ford actually oversizes the door handles on all of their trucks so they are easier to open with work gloves on and the knobs/ bottoms are designed for that use case as well. if you live anywhere really cold ... taking the gloves off to use a touch screen isn't particularly fun.People can take gloves off. Is this really a "thing" to talk about when it's such a low percentage of drivers? "What if a driver wears gloves" is near the bottom of the list of things that should shape the roadmap of a vehicle. That's such a ridiculous talking point.
Also, I don't buy that any of these current EV trucks are really targeting "real work trucks", most are targeting 80% of the truck market that tows a boat down to the ramp and picks up from from Lowes/Home depot once a week. A great majority of the 1/2 ton/light-duty truck market use their truck as a daily driver and to throw *sugar* in the bed. 75% of light duty truck owners tow 1 or less times per year. We are seeing real world reports that Rivian and F150s are getting in under 150 miles with any significant payload. The CT may beat those, but probably be pretty close despite bloated EPA advertisements.
They aren't bulletproof. Not even a little bit. Not even getting into how misleading the term "bulletproof" actually is, the Tesla windows weren't/aren't even bullet resistant rated. It was just Elon/Tesla talking that they are using extremely thick windows. The cold-rolled steel COULD be capable of stopping a single 9mm bullet from a handgun, which COULD be BR level 1 rating, but I doubt they would ever get that certified.if that is all the case... why in the world would you need "bulletproof" stainless steel panels and windows then? seems like total overkill for a vehicle which is leisure and light use only. regarding gloves: Ford actually oversizes the door handles on all of their trucks so they are easier to open with work gloves on and the knobs/ bottoms are designed for that use case as well. if you live anywhere really cold ... taking the gloves off to use a touch screen isn't particularly fun.
That's not what I said.That's not a universal truth. Backing with the yoke is fine. Maybe you feel the learning curve would be too much or annoying for you? That's fine, but there are no issues backing with the yoke for me and others that have used it on a daily basis.
You can safely backup while towing. There's a learning curve to the yoke, some love it afterwards, some hate it. There are third party options. I don't disagree they should make a round steering wheel as an option, but we know Tesla won't. I'd choose the Yoke and I love using it everyday, but I can 100% understand why people wouldn't.That's not what I said.
Edit: oops clicked enter too soon. I was calling out towing, you cannot safely backup towing. It is flat out less functional. Why on earth should anyone have a learning curve to compensate for a bad design that offers quite literally zero benefit.
We will have to agree to disagree. I'll put it this way, the yoke has less physical area to hold, when you cannot see the yoke it is not safe to use. Period.You can safely backup while towing. There's a learning curve to the yoke, some love it afterwards, some hate it. There are third party options. I don't disagree they should make a round steering wheel as an option, but we know Tesla won't. I'd choose the Yoke and I love using it everyday, but I can 100% understand why people wouldn't.