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Who can catch Tesla ? They seem to be experiencing exponential growth…..
- Thread starter Stuart Watson
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Look at the actual numbers for Ford, GM and Stellantis.
An utter joke. They should be ashamed of themselves.
An utter joke. They should be ashamed of themselves.
ATPMSD
Active Member
The EV market is Tesla’s to lose, and they will lose it if they continue to deliver poor customer service.
VW will probably overtake Tesla in 3 years at this rate.
thesmokingman
Active Member
That only because Tesla was boating cars over from Shanghai. VW is trembling as Giga Berlin ramps up.
Tesla’s new Berlin factory is making Volkswagen’s CEO nervous
CEO Herbert Diess met with workers to discuss a planned overhaul to the carmaker's business structure as Tesla prepares to open a Berlin factory.
qz.com
RobDickinson
Active Member
VWs own plans dont have them catching up to tesla not even by 2030 so I dont know how you have drawn that conclusion?
IMO tesla will end up with a large chunk of the entire car market, and a big chunk of the rest will be the Chinese manufacturers
thesmokingman
Active Member
Sadly it's like a lot of financial heads don't even count them like BYD at #2 in China. The really big big thing imo is that VW is really *sugar* in China and those numbers will look a lot worse in 2022. There's articles detailing how piss poor reception is to VW and other legacy auto in China. Apparently the Chinese consumer wants Teslas or Chinese brands like BYD, Xpeng, NIO, etc.
And then the baffling reasons for VW's poor sales blaimg attire choice by sales staff.
VW ID.4's Slow Start In China Blamed On Staff's Rigid Dress Code
VW sales staff in China dress more conservatively compared to Tesla and Nio salespeople, and that is a turn-off for some buyers.
insideevs.com
_Redshift_
Member
The OP has a decidedly strong pro Tesla tilt, even though he seems to be asking the question innocuously.
To the OP: you don’t think Tesla has any faults? I can name a laundry list. They have been ignoring their customers since 2017-2018 timeframe:
Poor customer service
Bad build quality even after 10 years of making cars
FSD that likely never will get out of beta, never be as good as others with their stupid vision-only nonsense
Yoke design by a 5 year old
Terrible UI that dedicates a large part of the display to show what the car is doing, no matter whether you are in AP or not
Interior quality and materials not out of place in a Honda Accord or even Civic, comparing the 3 and Y
Bad NVH control
Bad ride on both the 3 and the Y
Lastly : they seem to want to charge more than BMW, Porsche and MBZ at a fraction of the quality.
They are losing their way, and Elon is entirely to blame. He started with the hyper partisan right wing nonsense and Twitter circus, and he will doom Tesla a few years from now, the way he is carrying on.
To the OP: you don’t think Tesla has any faults? I can name a laundry list. They have been ignoring their customers since 2017-2018 timeframe:
Poor customer service
Bad build quality even after 10 years of making cars
FSD that likely never will get out of beta, never be as good as others with their stupid vision-only nonsense
Yoke design by a 5 year old
Terrible UI that dedicates a large part of the display to show what the car is doing, no matter whether you are in AP or not
Interior quality and materials not out of place in a Honda Accord or even Civic, comparing the 3 and Y
Bad NVH control
Bad ride on both the 3 and the Y
Lastly : they seem to want to charge more than BMW, Porsche and MBZ at a fraction of the quality.
They are losing their way, and Elon is entirely to blame. He started with the hyper partisan right wing nonsense and Twitter circus, and he will doom Tesla a few years from now, the way he is carrying on.
RobDickinson
Active Member
And yet their customers love the cars. Who would have thought.
_Redshift_
Member
Seems that way, doesn’t it.
Frog in a slowly boiling pail of water doesn’t realize what’s happening until it’s too late.
nwdiver
Well-Known Member
This GM dealership is apparently selling a lot of EVs 
Tam
Well-Known Member
Companies are created to make money. If making ICE is unprofitable and making EV is profitable then ICE Companies would switch in a heart beat.
Tesla had lost money for many years. Something else have helped its bottom line: Bitcoin
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Regulatory Carbon Credit Performance: 2019=$986 million, 2020=$1.58 billion.
Tesla has abandoned $25,000 car. Tesla Model S used to be below $100,000 but now it starts at $104,990!
What that means is it is still expensive to make an EV.
Other EV companies have not been profitable.
If it's not profitable why GM made EV-1 in the past? Because it was good PR when the California Government mandated it. When the mandate was lifted, it quickly crushed the EV-1.
So why ICE companies now go to the press saying that they are for EV?
Because of Governments around the world are announcing the mandate.
There's no need for them to switch right away when the deadline is in 2035 or 13 years away.
They don't want to give up the ICE profits for the next 13 years if the deadline is not yet here.
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I base it on Tesla's choice to stay away from the lower priced (and lower profit margin) market. If we're just talking about number of units sold then Tesla doesn't stand a chance against companies making small $20k city cars. But maybe Tesla's fine with avoiding the lower end since there's not much money in it to begin with so the total number of units produced doesn't matter. Apple doesn't hold the largest piece of the mobile phone market but they still make the most money in that space.
roblab
Active Member
Luckily, EVs don't need much service, if any at all. And I would guess you're irritated at one dealership/service center, because I've had great service. With a car that needs little service, I don't think that's what pushes EV sales or lack thereof. I've owned four Teslas, and the service was acceptable on the one time I needed something done. They're not going to disappear because of a few mis-steps with a few customers, when their cars are the best on the market.
That is a very good question !
I’m looking at my “history” with a view to finding the website …where I sourced the table;
Words fail me ….I wish I had spotted that. Its bizarre ….
Here is a table that includes the Chinese…. perhaps more believeable than the nonsense in my first post !
