I do expect the S/X to evolve to charge faster than the model 3. That improvement will also be a crime against humanity for some M3 buyers.
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I do expect the S/X to evolve to charge faster than the model 3. That improvement will also be a crime against humanity for some M3 buyers.
Although it now appears the "75kWh" battery in the Model 3 is actually larger (has more usable capacity) than the "85kWh" battery they sold back then.
SageBrush
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Look at the range upgrade prices of the Model 3 or X.
Compared to Tesla, where the battery pack lasts. Now, about range upgrades, how much is the 300+ mile Bolt upgrade ?
JeffK
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True but even at 30 kWh upgrade it's still much higher than GMs prices per kWh unfortunately.
You can't compare current prices because stuff is bundled in like SAS, higher amp charger, etc. The price was listed in 2013 very clearly with no bundled items. (I take that back, it included free supercharging)
Upgrade on a bolt is non-existant but also irrelevant when comparing price per kWh to consumers.
SageBrush
REJECT Fascism
Not true.
Replacement is subsidized by marketing priorities (aka avoid bad PR.)
Upgrade requires additional R&D, suspension hardware to support the extra weight.
Don't look at the kWh label, look at the $/range increase
$10k bought 57 miles in the chart you show
In a Model 3 $9k buys 90 miles.
But let's look at today:
Model 3: $9k USD for 90 miles extra
Model S:
75D: 259 miles range, $74,500 USD
100D: 335 miles range, $97,500 USD
76 miles extra for 23k USD
The $/mile upgrade of the Model S is 3x that of the Model 3.
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JeffK
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This is designed into the base car
On a Bolt $12305.44 buys 238 miles.
And the Model S now is even more than it was $/mi thus proving Tesla's current consumer prices are high even though costs are supposedly lower.
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SageBrush
REJECT Fascism
Maybe, but it still has to be recouped somewhere. The upgrade price looks like a good place to me, otherwise a less expensive suspension would have been called for.
JeffK
Well-Known Member
I'm not buying that as a justification for the price hike. (especially since this wasn't actually done for the P100D leading to a lower roof strength to weight ratio in IIHS testing)
I think the price of the upgrade right now is either a marketing decision based on value or, since Elon mentioned they are concerned about a battery shortage, to steer people toward the base model.
SageBrush
REJECT Fascism
<<shrug>>
In any case, the $/mile upgrade is 33% that of the current Model S line. YAMV (your arithmetic may vary)
JeffK
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True, even without the bundled items. I think eventually we will see the price eventually drop to somewhere between $6000-7500 but not while this demand is so high.
int32_t
Tesla Spotter
Whoopsidaisy -- I'm not always right. Did you know that? Well everybody does now, haha!
Duly noted, and I won't be spreading that particular piece of misinformation around any longer.Anyways, can somebody explain to me why we're comparing Model 3 to a Bolt again? They're two very different cars. Aside from getting you from Point A to Point B and costing somewhere near the same ballpark when counting certain incentives (available only in the USA) for a certain car, cough cough,
- Sedan vs hatchback
- Very aerodynamic vs not so aerodynamic
- 50 kWh vs 60 kWh (you need more capacity to overcome non-ideal aero design)
- Supercharge vs DCFC (208 km/h vs 144 km/h, and where are you going to find a non SpC DCFC anyways?)
- And one of them is less expensive than the other, remind me which that was again ... ?
- Model 3 can be upgraded OTA to be self-driving when your pocketbook recovers from the initial purchase.
That last item is the only thing that is remotely similar about the cars, and it's not worth complaining about honestly.
And (@AUSinator) there are a dozen Superchargers up the coast of Australia.
Also have to keep in mind that prices are set by what the market will sustain, and not necessarily by production costs. Cost may go down, but if the current market can handle current prices there is less incentive to pass those savings on. Likely the reason smart phones continue to go up in cost despite getting cheaper to manufacture.
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