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Discussion in 'Model S' started by Soolim, Sep 21, 2016.
is that you?
Tweet from earlier today from Elon Muck reads:
"V8.0 starts downloading tonight. Release will be gradual to make sure there aren't small regressions. Many car configs, many environments."
Seriously? He tweeted this out at 7:30 AM PDT.
Yep. Serious. He's been adding more V8 comments as the day goes on.
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Right, we are aware of the Climate Control stuff
Whoa! Check your heart rate monitor.
A) It's a firmware update.
B) We still have over an hour to go on the west coast (where Elon lives)
C) Night time doesn't mean end of day and these things generally push overnight
D) He clearly said they were aiming for today and that it might be a slow rollout
E) Not sure if you missed this one but it's firmware. Just firmware. Maybe you thought this was the update that cured cancer? In that case I'm right there with you. Damn it Elon!
I've made all the same complaints before and the criticizing Tesla for over-promising and under-delivering is fair. They deserve it. All that other stuff in your post though is high subjective.
I'd like to suggest you take about 19 minutes to cool off by watching this video of the jokester you just ripped on:
Wasnt Steve Jobs ousted from Apple? BTW the NeXT cube was great...
He said the goal was to release it on Wednesday. He didn't make any promises though.
When it he said tonight he likely meant sometimes in the early morning hours while you're sleeping. He also said it was going to be released gradually.
I'll be really surprised if I wake up tomorrow and no one has it. But, I won't be the least bit surprised if I don't have it.
Musk is not Jobs. No one has any idea how Tesla can become profitable. The opposite was the case with Jobs.
Come on guys, Elon is waiting patiently for his update like the rest of us.
It might be subjective about some aspects. but it's also important to see it clearly.
The AP is greatly restricted, but you were always SUPPOSED to have at least one hand at the steering wheel anyways. They didn't downgrade how well it followed the lanes. They simply brought it in line with what other manufactures had in terms of nagging. They had to do this because of the amount of media pressure and regulatory bodies. Yes, it sucks we lose something really cool because of people doing dumb things. Like the idiot who fell asleep and ended up on youtube. Or that idiot who crashed in Montana.
What did change significantly was the AEB system. The AEB system had some massive deficiencies, and with version 8.0 they corrected most of them. The switch from Camera+Radar AEB activation to only requiring the radar to activate isn't going to happen immediately. It's going to happen later on after there has been sufficient data gathering.
For the vast majority of us with the AP hardware it adds value to our car.
As posted in a different thread about the Bolt - comparing the Model S/X range to Bolt range is the wrong comparison. We are all team Electric, but the Bolt's 7.2kW charger vs the 120kW Supercharger means that you're going to need a quite a few Snickers bars if you take a Bolt on a road trip. The Supercharger network is a really important part of the Tesla model and even IT'S not fast enough to really make EV a mainstream thing yet.
These points about "miles of total range", dealership count, performance, features, which car can drive itself with the most sensors, aesthetics or how long between CEO tweet and critical mass firmware update do not matter if you are sitting in a parking lot at night with your family for 4 hours trying to get the Bolt (or whatever) ready for the next leg of the trip.
Everything Seashepherd mentions are tiny battles that will go back and forth. The war will be won over convenience relative to gas stations.
S4, I agree, except one point. The current AP worked amazingly, better than anyone else's, hands on the wheel or not. But with the hardware switch to radar they probably, no one knows yet, had to basically restart their AP. And it may not work nearly as smooth anymore as it used to. Or maybe it does. We will know very soon. I really hope it does ;0).
In this aspect I think it's a bigger update, than just a firmware update.
Who's to say this won't be the case with Tesla's at some point in the not too distant future?
No, it's a switch to camera and radar, each a primary sensor.
Only if one is interested in FUD. Tesla does not lose money on each car, they have a 20-30% margin. I despair at the poor level of analysis being foisted upon the unknowing masses.
It all really depends on which accounting methods are utilized in the computation...
Amallah, who knows. If batteries are good for 5-600 miles in a couple years, then how often do you really need to recharge your car outside your home...I don't think power or battery will be a deciding factor in a couple years. I think it's going to be autonomous driving...
Ok last words: Teslas profits are being reinvested into capital expansion expenses. You view is that joe loses money every month because he pays his mortgage.