Who will qualify for a free APP 3.0 HW update?

[TT97]

How can you switch on FSD if the car isn’t capable...?

Just because Tesla is upgrading the processor, doesn't mean the current cars are not capable for the initial FSD features (and the initial FSD features will be available well before the new processor is available).

A 1985 Yugo is "capable" of driving on a freeway, I still would rather do it in a Tesla.

 

[MP3Mike]

And we have our answer:

Elon tweeted:

Probably 4 to 6 months. Those who order full self-driving get the upgrade at no cost. It isn’t needed just for enhanced Autopilot.

 

[TurnFast]

Well that settles that.
Elon Musk on Twitter

Thanks for playing, congrats to everyone who correctly chose option #1

 

[privater]

And we have our answer:

Elon tweeted:

This is totally make sense, if you think this backward:
If this upgrade is free, how do Tesla deal with those swapped 300-400k ap2/2.5 hardware? scrap for metals?

 

[stonelance]

Being a software engineer and having some experience with vision systems has taught me to expect this won't be the last upgrade. That is the main reason I bought FSD now and not later. It better include free hardware upgrades for the life of the car or at least until FSD is actually realized, otherwise that is going to be a pretty bad PR story.

 

[Garlan Garner]

It's already added in post purchase. $2k more for FSD and $1k more for EAP. No one gets it for free unless you already paid FSD. Also, FSD may take awhile for approval by Government.

Full FSD needing approval? Yes.

Features of FSD? No.

Just like Tesla EAP is still beta. It hasn't had to be approved by anyone. Its not full EAP yet.

 

[Garlan Garner]

Being a software engineer and having some experience with vision systems has taught me to expect this won't be the last upgrade. That is the main reason I bought FSD now and not later. It better include free hardware upgrades for the life of the car or at least until FSD is actually realized, otherwise that is going to be a pretty bad PR story.

I agree. I'm all in with you. I purchased everything they offered.

( I'm glad free supercharging for life was added to my Model 3 Performance on Performance)
(Now I'm glad to see that I'm going to get some of my money's worth on this hardware upgrade).

They haven't offered anything for FSD yet...so.....there has at least be some advantages for purchasing it ..... and soon.

 

[Nuclear Fusion]

Just because Tesla is upgrading the processor, doesn't mean the current cars are not capable for the initial FSD features (and the initial FSD features will be available well before the new processor is available)

What can be considered ‘initial’ FSD ‘features’ & how does it differ from FSD...?

 

[Nuclear Fusion]

First problem with Tesla’s statements - FSD can’t be switched on ‘over the air’

 

[AnarchyEOD]

Full FSD needing approval? Yes.

Features of FSD? No.

Just like Tesla EAP is still beta. It hasn't had to be approved by anyone. Its not full EAP yet.

This, and so much of it...

 

[Garlan Garner]

First problem with Tesla’s statements - FSD can’t be switched on ‘over the air’

Why not? EAP can.

 

[Garlan Garner]

This, and so much of it...

What?

 

[chillaban]

This is totally make sense, if you think this backward:
If this upgrade is free, how do Tesla deal with those swapped 300-400k ap2/2.5 hardware? scrap for metals?

Or keep for refurbishing non FSD cars.

 

[Garlan Garner]

This is totally make sense, if you think this backward:
If this upgrade is free, how do Tesla deal with those swapped 300-400k ap2/2.5 hardware? scrap for metals?

Maybe they will sell them to WAYMO so that they can get started on real EAP instead of their drive-by-wire EAP effort. lol

 

[Nuclear Fusion]

Why not? EAP can.

Needs the chip upgrade

 

[Garlan Garner]

Needs the chip upgrade

Wait...I didn't think you needed the chip for the new FSD features.

 

[TurnFast]

I'm guessing some early FSD features like stop sign and traffic light detection can be handled by the existing hardware, but at some point they are going to hit with a wall where the compute power is not enough.
Anyone's guess when they hit that wall.

 

[Garlan Garner]

I'm guessing some early FSD features like stop sign and traffic light detection can be handled by the existing hardware, but at some point they are going to hit with a wall where the compute power is not enough.
Anyone's guess when they hit that wall.

Now that makes sense.

 

[Canuck]

And we have our answer:
Elon tweeted:

I'm still confused. Elon doesn't say whether you have to have ordered it before delivery to be entitled to the hardware upgrade. And to say that Elon said or tweeted something settles the issue makes me laugh. I'm still waiting for Google Chrome in my S that Elon promised by the end of 2014...

Tesla Model S to get app support and Chrome by late 2014 (video)

Google and Tesla combine forces to bring Chrome inside the Model S by end of 2014

Right now, all you can do is pay for it and get nothing at all as far as features. (There's even a class-action lawsuit about it) When they start enabling features for it, and have their hardware upgrades available, if you paid (or do at that time pay) for it, you would get the hardware upgrade.

What class action lawsuit are you referring to? If you're referring to the AP one, it settled for peanuts to owners, as they usually do...

Tesla agrees to settle class action over Autopilot billed as 'safer'

Tesla settles class action suit over Autopilot claims for $5M

So if history is any example, I wouldn't expect any "free" handouts from Tesla unless forced to do so by legal action.

Tesla has a history of rewarding followers who have faith in their promises even though they don't always deliver but they try to make it right in some way.

I wish that was true but it sounds like more like wishful thinking than what I've witnessed.

In my opinion, Tesla service centers will be far to busy to do even minor retrofits so they will make excuses and delay as long as they can doing any "free" upgrades. That's just my view based on following Tesla's past practices. As to the future, only time will tell.

 

[Garlan Garner]

I'm still confused. Elon doesn't say whether you have to have ordered it before delivery to be entitled to the hardware upgrade. And to say that Elon said or tweeted something settles the issue makes me laugh. I'm still waiting for Google Chrome in my S that Elon promised by the end of 2014...

Tesla Model S to get app support and Chrome by late 2014 (video)

Google and Tesla combine forces to bring Chrome inside the Model S by end of 2014



What class action lawsuit are you referring to? If you're referring to the AP one, it settled for peanuts to owners, as they usually do...

Tesla agrees to settle class action over Autopilot billed as 'safer'

Tesla settles class action suit over Autopilot claims for $5M

So if history is any example, I wouldn't expect any "free" handouts from Tesla unless forced to do so by legal action.



I wish that was true but it sounds like more like wishful thinking than what I've witnessed.

In my opinion, Tesla service centers will be far to busy to do even minor retrofits so they will make excuses and delay as long as they can doing any "free" upgrades. That's just my view based on following Tesla's past practices. As to the future, only time will tell.

There has been soooooooo much more truth in what Elon Musk has said than not.

If you want to go with history....then use the entire history.