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Why Automakers Are Rolling Out Electric Cars

Discussion in 'News' started by Doug_G, Dec 7, 2012.

  1. Doug_G

    Doug_G Lead Moderator

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    Design News - Captain Hybrid - Slideshow: Why Automakers Are Rolling Out Electric Cars

     
  2. richkae

    richkae VIN587

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    Funny how there are never any sales of products that have not yet been developed.

    The guy is a freakin genius.
     
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    Took about 10 years for digital cameras to take over film cameras. Sales were slow at first too.
     
  5. TonyWilliams

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    Read this tutorial:

    http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/zevprog/factsheets/zev_tutorial.pdf

    It will answer lots of questions. In a nutshell, to use Toyota as an example, if they produce 2600 Rav4 EV's over the next 3 years, that makes 0.79% of its total sales in California with ZEV's.

    330,000 cars multiplied by 0.79% equals 2607 cars.

    Of course, that is just one part of the overall compliance with CARB rules. They must also produce hybrids (or make a LOT more ZEV's). Anyway, it's all in the link.
     
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    A genius for sure:cursing: How many sales were there for "horseless carriages" when horses were the primary mode of transportation? If we had used that standard to predict the development of gas powered cars we would have been sure that they were doomed to fail. It amazes me how so many "experts" fail to see what's staring them in the face.
     
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    Henry Ford said, If I asked what people wanted they would have said faster horses.
     
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    Zythryn MS 70D, MX 90D

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    #8 Zythryn, Dec 7, 2012
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    The thing I find funnier and funnier as each day passes is that the other manufacturers have yet to figure out that the electric drive is simply superior.
    It is more efficient, smoother, quieter, easier to maintain, and the performance is simply incompatible.
    Add to that it is much smaller, without the need for secondary systems such as the exhaust, fuel injection, etc systems and all of a sudden you have a much safer car, which also has a lot more usable space for passengers or cargo, or both.

    Instead of trying to cram a big enough battery pack into a poor foundation, they should be designing cars using the strengths the electric drive naturally give you.

    Oh, and if that isn't enough, it just happens to get you under any CAFE standards/regulations as an after affect, without even trying.

    But hey, the longer it takes the other guys to figure it out, the better it is for my stock in Tesla;-)
     
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    #9 wycolo, Dec 8, 2012
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    CARB Rules . . . Oooo_ooh! Last time they just rolled over and played dead. What's to prevent that this time??

    Read this tutorial:
    http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/zevprog...v_tutorial.pdf [TonyWilliams]

    This *is* the Executive Summary of the Regulation(s)- whew!!. Guessing that these Regulations now constitute the 'rational basis' for clean air controls that were lacking before.

    Anyone know 'AT PZEV' vs PZEV?? Appears to be no Glossary here.

    Toyota needs 2500 'range to 200 mile' BEVs - guess that refers to the Rav4/Tesla kit-car program. Would that Subaru request the same from Tesla, but insist the car retain the full-time AWD. Subaru probably not a 'large' mfr.
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  10. Trixie

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    Agreed! Electric cars are here to stay...it's hard to argue the incredible efficiency, performance and sustainability. Grow stock, grow!
     
  11. jerry33

    jerry33 S85 - VIN:P05130 - 3/2/13

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    AT PZEV is Advanced Technology Practically Zero Emissions Vehicle. To be AT you have to be a hybrid, fuel-cell, or really anything without just an ICE. With just the PZEV, being hybrid isn't mandatory. What it appears is that the AT-PZEV folks didn't just want to copy California's terminology and so invented their own--as if it were better.
     
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    So puzzling that folks can't wrap their head around this - EV's are the future, they're just far superior to ICE. Even though there are so many articles out there (like the one referenced prior) that tend to question the market itself, it's refreshing to see a few recent ones that celebrate the opportunity in a big way... like this one (TSLA stock holders rejoice) that was just published yesterday, naming Tesla one of the "10 Stocks to hold forever" - predicting a very, very bright future:
    Cyprus Trouble and 10 Forever Stocks Tesla Motors - Cabot Heritage Corporation


    This guy gets it. :rolleyes:
     

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