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Why Do Car Buffs Dislike Tesla?

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Car buffs tend to dislike EVs, but out of the EVs, I think actually they like Tesla far more than say something like the Leaf. There are plenty of car buffs that do like Tesla. For example, Jalopnik used to be very skeptical about Tesla, but now they are mostly positive about Tesla.

The only gripe that continues is the price, but a lot of them would seriously consider getting a Tesla if it was more affordable.
 
My theory about car buffs not liking Tesla is that car buffs up until Tesla came about had this huge filter which took out all the people who HATE dirty dirty dirty ICE vehicles, therefore only leaving the ones who prettymuch LOVE ICE vehicles (I'll refer to as ICE-buff or ICE-car-buff). In the future, Tesla-type car buffs, i.e., regular car buffs who don't have to be subject to the ICE-filter and can just get into EVs will form, some of which will be agnostic, and some EV-specific (I'll refer to as car-buff and EV-buff/EV-car-buff, respectively). I think it is entirely likely that as the EV-buff crowd forms that we soon find out that the natural order of things is that there are really more car-buff potentials who would either go into one of the sub-buff groups than we are aware of, and it is even entirely likely that there will come to have been a natural selection of a particular engenderment time more EV-car-buffs than ICE-car-buffs, which is to say, at inception time for each individual. There is a great deal of inertia behind the ICE-buffs, however, so it is likely that in the future the EV-buff crowd never eclipses the ICE-buff crowd, and in my mind, just as likely that they do, all kind of depending on what future types of transportation and societal technical interests are timed and long lasting enough for such a threshold change.

I think a similar thing will happen again with the transition to flying, and other types of better transportation than cars. It already has with computers: lots of computer buffs have replaced who might have been car buffs of the past, and thank god, since ICE-buffs require a lot of suckage which many computer buffs wouldn't have been able to abide.

In a way, the EV-buff crowd will open up a valve for not-so-into-computer computer buff potentials that they haven't been able to tap before because of the ICE filter.

To which I generally look at the entire topic and say, therefore, so what? It doesn't matter. ICE is ugly and EV is great, and later, flying is better than rolling, and other such things. That's all you can take from it before, during, and after all those considerations. (Unless it's your particular business, in which case, have fun marketing to your subgroups, but that doesn't change the natural order of things overall.)

Bring on the EV-buffs and fly-buffs! And the future-buffs! And whatever! Oh, and get rid of those polluting things.

p.s., I intentionally left out the effects of lobbying. Once you correct for that (eliminate its effects), that's what I'm talking about as an underlying interest base. Lobbying, put back in, of course, has its own (short half-life) effect as well, given enough force (money). Lobbying is kind of like gravity: it's a really weak force, but put enough of it in there, and it's one motherf'r.
 
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I'm a lifelong car buff and I love Tesla. In fact, I can't wait to get rid of my BMW and get one. As much as I love the BMW, its just way too complicated. And ICE complexity will only get worse as they struggle to meet emissions targets. EVs offer very high level of performance and a dramatic simplification of the machine at the same time. What's not to like? Taking my BMW in for service is not something I will miss.
 
One other thing not mentioned yet...

I've been a long time Mustang fan, driving mostly Mustangs since 1993, and in fact, I was happy as can be when I got my 2011 Mustang GT. Great car. But then came electric cars (post EV1 era) and I knew I had to switch. For the moment I drive a Volt, but I really miss the style and performance of the Mustang. As you might guess, I can't wait to get a Tesla once I have all the finances straightened out. But back on topic, when it came to Mustangs, many Mustang fans had an almost obsession with the sound of a V8 motor. With an EV, that sound is gone. Same thing, but to a lesser degree, with manual transmissions (I myself loved having a manual transmission). These two things are additional reasons why some car buffs find it hard to get into EVs. I love Tesla, and I can personally give up the V8 roar, but I will always miss shifting my own gears on a multi-speed manual transmission.
 
I think this can be extended to any "change". Witness the fury of some people on TMC who are vehemently opposed the the new v7 UI even though they have only a few snaps of it. They are nostalgic for the old UI and blind to the possibility that the new streamlined UI might be better.

Loss of actionable information isn't nostalgia. Neroden's post of grievances with what's in V. 7.0 user interface has me concerned.
As far as look and feel is concerned, hey Tesla: "Let us skin the UI. Release the specs and templates!" I'd call that looking forward.
 
I am a car fanatic of the highest order. I have decades-old subscriptions to five car magazines per month. (Motor Trend, Automobile, Car+Driver, Road+Track, and Consumer Report) (Stop laughing). I have oodles of nostalgia and love old cars. But I absolutely worship technology, and love having the newest gadgets and features. So when hybrids came around, I was interested immediately. And once Tesla came around, I was in love. Now when I look at old cars, I think about buying my favorite(s) and converting them to electric drive. I've got 1-2 in mind that if time, budget, and garage space allow, I'll try and tackle in a few years.

"Car buffs" who dislike Tesla haven't been in one. That's my opinion. They're biased because they fear the end of ICE. It's not going to happen anytime soon, they can relax and enjoy the best car in the world without fear of losing their loud, belching polluters.

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If I could write as well as MileHighMotoring I would have written this myself.

The premise that car buff dislike Tesla is just absurd.

GSP
 
I was driving home down the Hume Highway today, the main road between Melbourne and Sydney. The Bathurst 1000 race was on over the weekend, the main race for Australian V8 Supercars (yes the one that drag raced the P85D) and the supercharger that I stopped at is located at a large highway petrol stop and was full of 'car buffs' returning from Bathurst. If any group was going to be hostile to EVs it would be this V8 worshipping crowd but every person who approached the car was interested and enthusiastic. Tesla Ss have only been on sale here this year so it was the first one that many have seen but I'm yet to hear a hostile comment, especially from the car buff crowd.
 
Great thread, and in my opinion one worth paying attention to because I believe one of the important factors in getting widespread EV adoption to happen quickly is to make sure the "buffs" are onboard. Car enthusiasts are often looked upon within their immediate circle of family, friends and coworkers as the go-to people when seeking repair or purchase advice. Of course they are not the make-or-break factor here, but they'll definitely have an effect. As a lifelong gearhead who also works in the biz and has now "seen the light" (see my intro for the painfully long story), I live in a world surrounded by some pretty serious buffs and can say that I haven't had a single negative reaction yet to the announcement that I'm planning to go electric.
However my angle on all this is one that I as yet haven't seen or heard much and that's the idea that EV's can be the savior of ICE vehicles for present and future buffs. My argument, although woefully simplistic, is that the sooner we adopt EVs for daily personal and commercial use, the better able the planet will be able to support continued ICE activities. I would hate to live in a world where I never again hear the scream of a Lambo V12 or a rumble of a small block Chevy. I just want to see them used when and where they have maximum effect like open country roads or racetracks, not sitting in traffic. So the task then is to convince the guy/girl with the three classic Mustangs in the garage that if they use an EV for the bulk of their daily mileage then there will be plenty of oil left for future generations to enjoy when it's time to play, and the ensuing far slower carbon release rate means that folks will still be alive and healthy to do so for a long time to come. As long as the daily EV proposed has the needed performance, range and coolness factor I think this will be an easy sell.
The key here is to show that as enthusiasts we want to band together on this, not split the world into EV/ICE rival factions.
There will be holdouts of course. But my money says if this is handled right they'll be a very small group!
 
Exactly what I am trying to say.

Many of the responses in this thread are from people from California and wealthier areas of the U.S. Outside of our enclaves, believe me, there is tremendous animosity towards Tesla and anything perceived to be even remotely "green".

I know someone here who doesn't like Tesla because it's American, and Germans do it better. She is a legitimate car buff and fanatic, but doesn't seem to know a lot about Tesla, and certainly hasn't driven or ridden in one.
 
Same thing, but to a lesser degree, with manual transmissions (I myself loved having a manual transmission). These two things are additional reasons why some car buffs find it hard to get into EVs. I love Tesla, and I can personally give up the V8 roar, but I will always miss shifting my own gears on a multi-speed manual transmission.

If you were going to an automatic, you would miss it. You won't miss it in the Tesla because the almost one pedal driving replaces the manual transmission and does it way better.
 
I'm a member of a local car forum. When I first joined there was a lot of skepticism about EVs. "Not in my lifetime" was one refrain. That's now become a joke meme on the forum.

What changed? Well, I took the Roadster to autocross, and the Model S drag racing (and beat most all of them). A bunch of them have now seen the car or had a ride in it. I dispelled some misconceptions in the forum - at times some of the points were hotly debated. And eventually over time they came to accept that the car is real, it's cool and fun to drive, and basically works as advertised. A number of members have said they will get an EV as soon as they can afford one that has enough range (and no one there thinks the LEAF qualifies - and FWIW I agree given the climate here).

So it just takes a little time. Most car enthusiasts will come around.
 
Never was there a bigger car buff than me. I was rebuilding engines and cars since high school. I worked as an engine specialist for VW and for Porsche for many years. I have now owned a Model S for 3 years and 50,000 miles. It is my only car. Anything I see with an exhaust pipe is completely not of interest. I have a weak spot for VW Things, Old VW buses, and Series 1 Landrovers. But when I see one, first thing I think of, hmm....how could I make that car electric?
 
Same thing, but to a lesser degree, with manual transmissions (I myself loved having a manual transmission). These two things are additional reasons why some car buffs find it hard to get into EVs. I love Tesla, and I can personally give up the V8 roar, but I will always miss shifting my own gears on a multi-speed manual transmission.

No way. Coming from a car with a V8 and a manual transmission, there's nothing to miss. The directness of the Tesla powertrain is superior to the directness of a manual transmission.
 
The only time I don't choose my Model S over any ICE is when I'm playing GT6 on my playstation. I have the full driving setup with a nice sound system (including a loud sub) and the game without an engine revving or hearing gear changes is boring. :wink:
 
One thought I've had about why some car buffs dislike Teslas for a couple of reasons. For one, people who like the growl of a sports car feel the lack of noise is wimpy. Most performance cars also have a strong following, just like brands of pick up trucks. There are Corvette lovers, Jaguar lovers, BMW lovers, Dodge truck lovers, Ford truck lovers, etc. They may feel the upstart is undermining their favorite car and making it hopelessly obsolete?

It will be a while before electric trucks are around to threaten the big pick up brands, but right now the sports car lovers are the ones feeling threatened.
 
One thought I've had about why some car buffs dislike Teslas for a couple of reasons. For one, people who like the growl of a sports car feel the lack of noise is wimpy. Most performance cars also have a strong following, just like brands of pick up trucks. There are Corvette lovers, Jaguar lovers, BMW lovers, Dodge truck lovers, Ford truck lovers, etc. They may feel the upstart is undermining their favorite car and making it hopelessly obsolete?

It will be a while before electric trucks are around to threaten the big pick up brands, but right now the sports car lovers are the ones feeling threatened.

I've seen very little of this and in only a few of the shows I've attended, and it's just been something like one person in ten shows. Car buffs just don't have a problem with the Tesla (except for track use, where it's not quite up to multiple laps).
 
I've seen very little of this and in only a few of the shows I've attended, and it's just been something like one person in ten shows. Car buffs just don't have a problem with the Tesla (except for track use, where it's not quite up to multiple laps).

I've suspected that most of the car buffs who hate Tesla are in the media, though I haven't had much evidence one way or the other. There are some prominent examples of people in the media who tried to make Tesla look bad and otherwise badmouthed the company and/or their products.

In the case of the media people who hate Tesla, a lot of them probably are cozy with the mainstream car companies and want to see their buddies beat the David throwing stones at their Goliath.

50% or more of the world's population are also somewhat conservative. That's small 'c' conservative, not necessarily politically conservative. People who are small 'c' conservatives tend to be uncomfortable with change. Until they see that the new thing (whatever it is) is not bad or dangerous, they will reject it. My mother was this way. No matter what the technology, if it didn't exist in 1950, she rejected it out of hand. She was a voracious reader all her life, but when she started to go blind, it became very difficult for her. I tried to introduce her to audio books and gave her some books on CD for Christmas one year. My father could have easily set it up for her (he has no fear of new technology and has always been a bit gadget happy), but you'd think I gave her a box of dog droppings the way she reacted. I pretty much gave up after that.

EVs are different and those more over on the conservative side of the spectrum are going to be wary of them for a while. Some will treat them as devil's spawn until they get comfortable with them, and some will probably never come around. Those who have an economic interest in ICE cars sticking around will also fight EVs, but for different reasons.
 
I've found car guys in general dig EVs because they're interesting.

I brought my new e-golf to the local Cars & Coffee last weekend instead of my 360. For a few moments, the group around the car included people who had brought a McLaren P1 (!!!!), Ferrari 512BB, track prepped 911 Carrera GTS, Ferrari 365 2+2, a Panoz, and an S2000. The 512 owner owns a P85+. I had the hood up and pulled the cosmetic panel and we were discussing the limitations of a converted car vs an EV-centric platform like a Model S. For the record, the VW MQB platform was designed for electrification so the battery pack does not impact cabin space but there's a lot of wasted space in the motor compartment because the drive unit is so compact.