JRP3
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Either you didn't read the article you linked or you didn't understand it. Either way it was not the refutation of the point to which you were replying that you apparently thought it was.
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Why do people really want Tesla to fail?
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Erm, the "actual" projected date for Tesla FSD in that article was "End of 2017". Not too sure you picked the best possible article to support your argument.
Yah I saw that, and the other company's were in the 20-25 range mostly. In the land of rough the data was qualitatively supportive and contrasted greatly to the replied to article, esp Nissan.
Thank you for taking the time to read the link
JCB_Arizona
Member
I sorta feel the way this thread is titled.
It seems like Tesla has to fight for every Inch. Sure, EM sets big goals, but aiming high has been a hallmark of American entrepreneurs. (Look at Amazon).
I mean, it’s cars and batteries. Why the hate???
I’ve loved my new MX for last few weeks, even with its tiny mess ups here and there.
I really hope the company succeeds beyond anybody’s expectations.
It seems like Tesla has to fight for every Inch. Sure, EM sets big goals, but aiming high has been a hallmark of American entrepreneurs. (Look at Amazon).
I mean, it’s cars and batteries. Why the hate???
I’ve loved my new MX for last few weeks, even with its tiny mess ups here and there.
I really hope the company succeeds beyond anybody’s expectations.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
I'd describe most of the rabid bears as charlatans. Elon produces real products which are changing multiple real industries.
When the bear argument consists only of name-calling, there isn't a better demonstration of its weakness.
Looking forward to the AWD and performance models of the M3 for next week.
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Tesla Gets a Vote of Confidence as Supplier Orders Accelerate
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anticitizen13.7
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That worked really well against Steve Jobs, didn’t it?
RAVAGESofTIME
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Are you sure you understand the definition of charlatan?
But according to someone on your @ContrarianShort Twitter account, you shorted AMZN in 2014. Bet that was super-fun. AMZN stock price is up, what, about 400+% in 4 years?
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You’re wrong.
Starting Model 3 production was a hyper optimistic goal. They hit it. Elon did not lie.
Hitting 5k/week by 12/17 was a hyper optimistic goal. They did not hit it. Once again, Elon did not lie.
Setting hyper optimistic deadlines is a proven technique for motivation (there is a great TED talk on this) and to drive employees to max effort. It has been a key ingredient in all of Elon’s companies successes.
Tesla is in a race against one of the greatest planetary threats civilization has faced. Hyper optimistic deadlines will be one of the key drivers of the speed of Tesla execution in this race.
The obvious answer is:
There is a massive misinformation and FUD campaign being waged against Tesla.
The list of enemies is long, but I suspect the fossil fuel industry. They have used this technique before and if I remember correctly, Tesla even proved the Koch brothers had budgeted a substantial amount towards this end.
I suspect the UAW has been behind the worker safety stories.
There is a massive misinformation and FUD campaign being waged against Tesla.
The list of enemies is long, but I suspect the fossil fuel industry. They have used this technique before and if I remember correctly, Tesla even proved the Koch brothers had budgeted a substantial amount towards this end.
I suspect the UAW has been behind the worker safety stories.
John Beans
Member
I was at a cocktail party last night, in the heart of liberal Tesla country (Northern California). One of our friends is a local TV news producer (decides what's news each day, what goes on the air). Someone mentioned my Model 3, and she said, "Aren't you worried about them going out of business? You don't use Autopilot, do you?!" [concerned look on face]
The long and short of it is that the negative narrative about Tesla has become—at least in the short term—the "prevailing wisdom" about Tesla. So a news director wouldn't feel smart running a story about how exciting Tesla is, or great the products are, or about how cool the technology is. Instead, they feel that the responsible thing is to warn people about the bad things that might happen.
If Tesla succeeds, they can still feel like they did the responsible thing by warning people. "Those were valid concerns," they might say.
On the other hand, if they put out a rosy piece about the company or its products and something bad happened, people might feel that the news company misled them. "Where was the press when this was happening?"
Even in California only a tiny fraction of the 40 million people here own a Tesla. If every Tesla ever produced was now located in California, it might crack 1% share of all cars, barely. Having been historically very expensive and linked to climate activism, there's a fairly sturdy contingent of people, even in California, that think of Tesla owners as privileged and holier-than-thou about saving the planet. I was recently talking to a senior executive from Oracle and she said she couldn't bring herself to become "a Tesla person." Make of that what you will.
So if you think about it from their perspective, there's very little reason for a news producer to post a positive piece about Tesla.
The long and short of it is that the negative narrative about Tesla has become—at least in the short term—the "prevailing wisdom" about Tesla. So a news director wouldn't feel smart running a story about how exciting Tesla is, or great the products are, or about how cool the technology is. Instead, they feel that the responsible thing is to warn people about the bad things that might happen.
If Tesla succeeds, they can still feel like they did the responsible thing by warning people. "Those were valid concerns," they might say.
On the other hand, if they put out a rosy piece about the company or its products and something bad happened, people might feel that the news company misled them. "Where was the press when this was happening?"
Even in California only a tiny fraction of the 40 million people here own a Tesla. If every Tesla ever produced was now located in California, it might crack 1% share of all cars, barely. Having been historically very expensive and linked to climate activism, there's a fairly sturdy contingent of people, even in California, that think of Tesla owners as privileged and holier-than-thou about saving the planet. I was recently talking to a senior executive from Oracle and she said she couldn't bring herself to become "a Tesla person." Make of that what you will.
So if you think about it from their perspective, there's very little reason for a news producer to post a positive piece about Tesla.
The auto dealers are the largest local advertisers on television and in newspapers. Tesla doesn’t buy advertising. It can’t help but to skew the perspective of the local media.
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cellogig
Model X..Model 3
Hence why this forum should rally around each other and help each other and Tesla. The image of this forum in a sense is advertising. Maybe I am wrong...
SW2Fiddler
We Are Cognitive Dissidents
That’s good for when you are told that Electrek (whose analysis you cited to counter the LA Times hit piece) is biased.
This was mostly true for years, until the shorts and others with an agenda discovered it.
ThosEM
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