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Why I am losing faith in Tesla’s Autopilot (Autosteer)

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I absolutely love my Model 3. I have had it for just over 3 years now and enjoyed driving every mile of the 42,000 miles that I have clocked till today. Most of the mileage has been on the highway and the remainder was miles that I racked up while commuting for work before the pandemic. When I bought it in 2019, I was primarily using it for the daily 60-mile round trip commute for work during the week. I had started using autopilot right away and loved the fact that I could relax a bit during my daily commute to work. My Model 3 was a replacement for my 2005 Toyota Prius and the difference between the two is significant. This summer, I drove over 8,000 miles across 14 states in my Model 3 - I’m as familiar with it and its autopilot system as anyone else.

Using autopilot for my commute became a ritual and I became very accustomed to it – understanding its weaknesses as well as its strengths. I became so accustomed to it, that whenever I was traveling away from home without my Model 3, I would find it strange to drive any other car, especially on highways. Autopilot allowed me to relax a bit more while driving and take more of a managerial role of the car's systems rather than actively driving it. It helped to reduce my overall fatigue during most drives. This was helpful especially in places like the Bay Area where there is heavy traffic, and you have to constantly be aware of changes in speed and lane changes of vehicles around you.

I experienced the real impact of autopilot when I took my first long road trip with my partner from San Jose to Seattle. This was in early 2020 when work from home had just taken off due to the pandemic and flying to places was out of the question. Several weeks later, we decided to spend some time in Colorado to take advantage of the remote work situation, so we drove to Boulder from Seattle via Yellowstone National Park. As we headed back to San Jose later that year, we had driven over 5,000 miles and had primarily used Tesla’s massive supercharging network. We wouldn’t have been able to do the trip without it. But the real game changer for us was autopilot. I had driven other vehicles with ‘lane-assist’ systems such as those in Toyota and other manufacturers, but nothing came close to Tesla’s autopilot. The ability of the car to stay within the lanes on a highway was impeccable even in times of inclement weather such as heavy rain or snow. We were very impressed with the overall system. There were times when autopilot got confused with lanes or times when we experienced phantom braking – instances when the car would engage the brakes even when there was no need to do so. These were a small fraction of instances and very soon I could predict when I would need to take over from autopilot when there was any complexity in the lane markings. But overall, it was a fantastic system that I found hard to drive without on any road trip or long commute thereafter.

Fast forward to 2022 to a couple of months ago in October. My father flew in from overseas to take a 26-day road trip with me across 7 states starting from California and ending in Wyoming. I was excited to take him in my Model 3 – for him to experience an electric vehicle, seamless supercharging across Tesla’s vast network, and of course autopilot. My dad being a man of precision is not easy to impress and I was eager to know his impression of a Tesla. When he finally decided to take over the wheel from me in Nevada, he was thrilled by the torque and power delivered by the Model 3. I watched him enjoy overtaking slower vehicles as I took videos of him from the passenger seat. I did 90% of the driving of the 3,500+ miles that we covered over 26 days. But I also relied on a key system for half the trip – autopilot. I say half because sometime in late September and early October, I updated the software for the vehicle to the latest version. I initially thought of waiting to complete our trip, but the software update notification popup became annoying, and I finally decided to just complete the update. Later I realized that I had made a big mistake.

On one of our drives, we experienced 4 phantom braking events within 30 minutes. Not only was I embarrassed, but I was also concerned about our safety. A vehicle behind us could have easily slammed into us when our vehicle braked suddenly without any reason to the outside observer. I had to switch off autopilot and drive the vehicle myself. This was such a shame since we could not have been on a straighter road, and it was so monotonous to have to steer as well as press the accelerator pedal. During the remainder of the drive, I kept wondering why this was happening. Was it the road? It had not happened at this frequency for most of our trip so why was this happening now. Then it hit me – it was the most recent software update. Tesla has started transitioning vehicles from its radar + Tesla Vision based autopilot to Tesla Vision only. I felt so silly for choosing to update my vehicle’s software. Even though I knew I had no way of knowing.

This was not the end though. For the remainder of the trip, I experienced multiple phantom braking events. The last straw was when I was driving back home to California from Salt Lake City and experienced such harsh phantom braking that my vehicle dropped in speed by 20 miles per hour within seconds. That was it. I decided to stop using autopilot and stuck to traffic-aware cruise control only. Little did I realize that traffic-aware cruise control is also using Tesla vision. So, I experienced the same exact harsh braking again while just using cruise control! I was so disappointed and so frustrated. I just decided to drive manually altogether. I realized that my 2005 Prius’ (or even my 98 Civic) classic cruise control would have been better than today’s updated version of autopilot.

To state the obvious - In software production, every update should either make a system safer or retain its current level of safety, and then not regress in overall functionality. Unfortunately, I felt less safe with today’s version of autopilot and have decided to not use it until Tesla has addressed this issue thoroughly. It feels very strange to not use autopilot on drives and I definitely feel its absence. The Model 3 has been one of the best purchases I have ever made in my life – I just hope that Tesla will remedy this soon (re-enable radar) and continue to deliver state-of-the-art systems going forward. The competition in the electric vehicle space as well as driver assist systems is about to get fierce.
 
Cars today do not prevent accidents and death in a variety of situations - icy roads, inattentive drivers, drunk drivers, over speeding, recklessness and fatigue driving. Thousand deaths a day..? something like that. We know a thousand people can be saved if we ban cars from the road today.. and same tomorrow... every single day.

Yet we allow cars for the greater benefit of society. We are not waiting for the day when cars can be as safe as trains.

I can make the same ridiculous argument,

'should my toddler die from a reckless teenage or drunk driver on the road'?

Yet by law teenagers get licenses and drive everyday and make the most number of accidents by age group. We tolerate that because that is better that banning all teenagers from driving. We have a law that an inebriated person cannot drive, but they cause the 2nd most number of accidents.. in the tens of thousands per year.

Yet we do not demand that car manufacturers should develop tech that will prevent a drunk person from driving. Because cars as a whole benefit the society more than the deaths they cause. That is the same lens we should apply here.

Imagine if someone had banned cars in the 50s because they did not have airbags ! The probability of severe injury and death was extremely high on any accident with moderate speeds in those days. Yet cars were allowed, and kids, toddlers, babies and even pets (oh my God!) were riding in the cars and many died preventable deaths because auto companies did not put airbags in them. Today a Tesla rolls over and slams a tree, and occupants simply walk out.

How did that happen? because more sensible people who did not hate cars did not ban cars then, and people continued to work on making them more safer, while accepting the risk-reward.
 
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The question to be asked is, will it statistically be better than humans and will help in reducing accidents in a variety of situations. If the answer is a resounding Yes, then we should embrace it and improve on it.
the problem I have with not-FSD is that the EM justifications are all about safety while at the same time making it more and more expensive to own.
Actions speak louder than words, and the actions being taken say this has got nothing to do with safety, otherwise they would price it so everyone could add it.
 
The question to be asked is, will it statistically be better than humans and will help in reducing accidents in a variety of situations. If the answer is a resounding Yes, then we should embrace it and improve on it.
Except toddlers and pets, they’re fair game. Is that what you’re saying?

If they sort out the system so that it doesn’t run anything under the bumper over then fair enough but as is? Nah not for me, I’d rather a human that avoids kids 95% of the time over a system that misses them out
 
Lol, right


you can even see how it automatically re-engages once lane is changed. but sure, AP is the best..
I just posted about this very issue. I test drove a Tesla Model Y and I have one reserved to purchase on Friday and I am debating whether to make the purchase for this very reason. I currently drive a 2021 Ford F-150 with all Ford’s latest self-driving technology (other than Blue Cruise) and the lane centering feature (what Tesla calls Auto Steer) re-engages after a driver override. This takes a TON of stress off me as a driver. I found the Tesla I test drove to cancel auto steer at the slightest movement of the steering wheel and required me to manually re-engage it. I believe this would be a software fix, but I have no way to know whether Tesla plans to change its auto steer function to automatically re-engage after a driver override once the vehicle is in a new lane and new lane markings can be detected. I wish the default was that auto steer would automatically re-engage -- even if the system allowed drivers to change the default. #still debating
 
Lol, right


you can even see how it automatically re-engages once lane is changed. but sure, AP is the best..
This very issue is why I am undecided on whether to purchase a Tesla Model Y I made a deposit on. When I test drove the Tesla Model Y, I was shocked to realize that auto steer is completely disengaged every time you change lanes (whether you signal or not). I currently drive a Ford F-150 (with all Ford’s latest autonomous driving technology other than Blue Cruise) and it allows me to make steering corrections (even large ones), change lanes (or multiple lanes), etc., and once the vehicle is back in a new lane and is relatively centered, the auto steer (or lane centering as Ford calls it) automatically re-engages. Having to manually re-engage auto steer will create a TON of stress on me as a driver (whether around town or on a long trip). I also found that applying even the slightest pressure on the Tesla steering wheel caused auto steer to disengage. I also recently test drove a Subaru Outback and the lane centering on that vehicle also automatically re-engaged once the vehicle was in a new lane and new lane markings were detected. If I thought Tesla would change this feature to either (1) automatically engage all the time after the vehicle is in a new lane and lane markings are detected or (2) at least give drivers the option to set the auto steer function to re-engage once the vehicle is in a new lane and lane markings are detected, then I would buy the vehicle. Have others seen complaints about this issue?
 
This very issue is why I am undecided on whether to purchase a Tesla Model Y I made a deposit on. When I test drove the Tesla Model Y, I was shocked to realize that auto steer is completely disengaged every time you change lanes (whether you signal or not). I currently drive a Ford F-150 (with all Ford’s latest autonomous driving technology other than Blue Cruise) and it allows me to make steering corrections (even large ones), change lanes (or multiple lanes), etc., and once the vehicle is back in a new lane and is relatively centered, the auto steer (or lane centering as Ford calls it) automatically re-engages. Having to manually re-engage auto steer will create a TON of stress on me as a driver (whether around town or on a long trip). I also found that applying even the slightest pressure on the Tesla steering wheel caused auto steer to disengage. I also recently test drove a Subaru Outback and the lane centering on that vehicle also automatically re-engaged once the vehicle was in a new lane and new lane markings were detected. If I thought Tesla would change this feature to either (1) automatically engage all the time after the vehicle is in a new lane and lane markings are detected or (2) at least give drivers the option to set the auto steer function to re-engage once the vehicle is in a new lane and lane markings are detected, then I would buy the vehicle. Have others seen complaints about this issue?
Tesla includes premium autosteer functions in Extended Autopilot or Full Self Driving packages that give you the capability to change lanes automatically or with a touch of the turn signal. So, it's unlikely that they will sweeten the basic AP to do more automatic functions for no extra charge. If you haven't done so, you might check out those options.

Good luck with your purchase decision.
 
This very issue is why I am undecided on whether to purchase a Tesla Model Y I made a deposit on. When I test drove the Tesla Model Y, I was shocked to realize that auto steer is completely disengaged every time you change lanes (whether you signal or not). I currently drive a Ford F-150 (with all Ford’s latest autonomous driving technology other than Blue Cruise) and it allows me to make steering corrections (even large ones), change lanes (or multiple lanes), etc., and once the vehicle is back in a new lane and is relatively centered, the auto steer (or lane centering as Ford calls it) automatically re-engages. Having to manually re-engage auto steer will create a TON of stress on me as a driver (whether around town or on a long trip). I also found that applying even the slightest pressure on the Tesla steering wheel caused auto steer to disengage. I also recently test drove a Subaru Outback and the lane centering on that vehicle also automatically re-engaged once the vehicle was in a new lane and new lane markings were detected. If I thought Tesla would change this feature to either (1) automatically engage all the time after the vehicle is in a new lane and lane markings are detected or (2) at least give drivers the option to set the auto steer function to re-engage once the vehicle is in a new lane and lane markings are detected, then I would buy the vehicle. Have others seen complaints about this issue?
Actually Teslas EAP gives you even better functionality where you put the indicator and it changes the lane, or it changes by itself if you turn on navigation. It costs money for that capability.

Free AP of course makes you disable AP, change lanes manually and re-enable AP.

What is the free version of BMW level 2 capable of? Just curious.
 
Tesla includes premium autosteer functions in Extended Autopilot or Full Self Driving packages that give you the capability to change lanes automatically or with a touch of the turn signal. So, it's unlikely that they will sweeten the basic AP to do more automatic functions for no extra charge. If you haven't done so, you might check out those options.

Good luck with your purchase decision.
Thank you for your reply.
 
Personally, I didn't experience any issue in the in the autopilot with Tesla Vision only (no USS on my MY RWD).
It drives fairly well and only "soft" braking is applied in some cases (other cars changing lane ahead, maybe too slowly and make the Tesla autopilot slow down more than it would be needed, but that's safe...).
I'm wishing to have Summon and Autopark ... basically just to have them ... (I honestly don't need them for parking... and Summon/smart Summon are not really needed at the end...).
 
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Just wanted to Chime in on this. 60k miles on my model 3. I will say fsd and full vision only is worse than what I had over a year ago (non vision based system). full stop. I can't think in one way highway driving is better. I encountered a phantom breaking event once in the first 3 years of owning the car, before I joined the FSD Beta. I've encountered phantom braking 3 times since going vision only. Autopark worked fine before when it used ultrasonic, it doesn't work at all now. It used to put the "p" on the screen almost every time I park, now, not at all.

It's leaving a bad taste in my mouth. I've had this car for over 4 years now and will replace when necessary. I want to move up to the S, but unsure if I'll stay with Tesla.
 
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Radar is coming back!? Will they re-enable it on my car? Source?


 
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I read this and it slightly urks me.... Someone that bought a tesla in the last year will have a worse fsd experience than a tesla from 4 years ago when Tesla goes back to vision + radar FSD for the new models with radar in it?
 
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