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Why I cancelled my P3D
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jonquiljo
Active Member
They are probably not doing much. The delivery advisor that “almost” delivered my last order has an auto-responder on her e-mail saying that she is away - but doesn’t give a time of return. It’s kind of sad for all involved.
Many analysts are speculating a soft N American market. I don’t believe that. I think Tesla is creating a softer appearing market due to the way they do business. The OP is a good example of a lost sale. And I certainly can’t blame him for cancelling.
@polycarbon,
A month ago it was already too late for Tesla to manufacture your car and ship it to Minnesota and deliver it by the end of the quarter. They had already switched all production to California orders because those are the only orders they could deliver by the end of September. If you had ordered two weeks earlier than you did, your car would have been delivered by the end of September. However, because you missed Q3 by a small margin, now you have to wait for Q4 deliveries. In your case, that means maximum delays. If you had decided to wait, your most likely delivery date would have been somewhere between 10-15 Dec 2019. The interesting thing is, instead of ordering in mid-September, if you had ordered in mid-November, it would have made no difference. Your most likely deliver date would still be 10-15 Dec 2019.
A month ago it was already too late for Tesla to manufacture your car and ship it to Minnesota and deliver it by the end of the quarter. They had already switched all production to California orders because those are the only orders they could deliver by the end of September. If you had ordered two weeks earlier than you did, your car would have been delivered by the end of September. However, because you missed Q3 by a small margin, now you have to wait for Q4 deliveries. In your case, that means maximum delays. If you had decided to wait, your most likely delivery date would have been somewhere between 10-15 Dec 2019. The interesting thing is, instead of ordering in mid-September, if you had ordered in mid-November, it would have made no difference. Your most likely deliver date would still be 10-15 Dec 2019.
Check out a Lincoln MKZ Hybrid. I think it was 2017 they had a facelift and updated the user interface. That's my likely alternative if Tesla won't fulfill the executed MVPA on my current delivery.
Did Tesla switch to this Europe->East US->West US quarterly manufacturing scheme after early July? I ask because I ordered my Blue on White 3P+ on 07/09 and picked it up on 07/22. The car was manufactured in July according to the door sticker (not a quarter-end rush job), was in good shape (not someone else's reject), 5 miles on the speedo (not a demo), etc. I noted that people here who ordered 3P+s a week after I did had long delays on delivery.
JohnSnowNW
Active Member
That is unfortunate...but how do you go from a P3D to an Accord Hybrid?
I traded in a gen 10 accord hybrid touring for a model 3. I really liked that car. The Tesla is the only current car I'd give it up for. quick enough, quiet, comfortable & low operating costs. The tech is top notch for it's price point. The only drawback is the audio system. It was the worst sounding thing I've ever owned. The head unit rolls off the mid bass so significantly that it it can be improved with enough money but it won't ever sound right. if you are ok with that it's the perfect vehicle to wait for a Tesla in
jonquiljo
Active Member
You don't do it easily but you do whatever you have to do. After talking to a lot of people at Tesla, I'm pretty sure early December at best for October orders is about right. Tesla has clearly changed something, and I think we are going to have a long month or two with lots of people really getting frustrated.
From what I read, the analysts are saying that Tesla had weaker than normal demand in Q3 than in previous quarters - and that the US market is therefore softening. Tesla has bound itself to delivering another 105,000 cars in the next quarter to meet year end goals. My guess is that Tesla turned to the backlog of foreign sales (especially European) - and is trying hard to fulfill those orders. Foreign demand is very strong because Tesla has not been delivering overseas as quickly there as they have been here.
Personally, I don't believe there is a weak US market for Teslas - but rather, Tesla is acting so flaky that it is really self inflicting harm to it's own sales. Those of us here who have ordered and are waiting for Teslas are die-hard enthusiasts. But, many of the people who don't come here are not as "determined" as we are. Tesla has been so busy chasing the stock market that it has left many "soon to be" Tesla owners in a daze, waiting for orders, dealing with lack of communication with an organization that needs to grow up and communicate. Owner trades are depreciating, loans are running out of time, etc. - and people did not expect this. Tesla may not have expected this. Not everyone has extra cars and an extra supply of cash to wait like this when they didn't expect it. It's sad that people are possibly missing out on a great car simply because of lack of information.
A lot of this frustration could be managed if Tesla told it's staff to let us in on the real wait times. And yes, change that 2-3 weeks on the web page. It's just wrong to leave that there. The last quarter did not show long 2 month wait's often for most Model 3 trims. I hope I am wrong about delays. Tesla could, of course, change it's mind and strategy mid-stream (as it sometimes does) and deliveries could pick up. I hope this is the case - for myself and everyone else.
Note: shortly after I posted this, the website was change to 6-10 weeks. Yup, something has changed!
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8-10 for the performance..this is insane
I ordered on sept 29th..I was just a few days late ..I am so annoyed right now, I was really hoping for something in november but definitely not expecting that now. sucks
I ordered on sept 29th..I was just a few days late ..I am so annoyed right now, I was really hoping for something in november but definitely not expecting that now. sucks
FutureShock
Best Coast Denizen
Well, so much for Tesla’s ‘demand issues’.
6-10 week backlog for M3s, and 8-10 weeks for M3Ps?? Yikes.
6-10 week backlog for M3s, and 8-10 weeks for M3Ps?? Yikes.
Well, so much for Tesla’s ‘demand issues’.
6-10 week backlog for M3s, and 8-10 weeks for M3Ps?? Yikes.
Is it really a demand issue, at least related to the US? Or is it that they're not building/delivering cars to people in the US for another 6-10 weeks?
isnt that still a demand issue (they need the cars for "outside the US deliveries")? Thats still "demand".... Whether its US demand or not, the demand for tesla cars is greater than they can fulfill easily.
Out of the country demand needing to be filled still can cause a lack of cars in the US, thus it becomes a US demand issue.
FutureShock
Best Coast Denizen
There is no demand issue. Tesla can sell every Model 3 it builds. The problem is they can’t build very many and they are selling them throughout the world where logistical issues become significant.
The website has now been updated to reflect more realistic lead times. But nothing has really changed regarding the lead times here, only the website has changed to be more realistic. We already knew they were building orders for international deliveries this month.
Prices also increased on the SR+, which is a sign that they are confident regarding US demand. With the final phase of the tax credit about to expire there will be a rush of people trying to get their orders delivered before the end of the year. Unfortunately for those who did not order their SR+ yet the price increase just wiped out a good amount of the savings from the tax credit.
The website has now been updated to reflect more realistic lead times. But nothing has really changed regarding the lead times here, only the website has changed to be more realistic. We already knew they were building orders for international deliveries this month.
Prices also increased on the SR+, which is a sign that they are confident regarding US demand. With the final phase of the tax credit about to expire there will be a rush of people trying to get their orders delivered before the end of the year. Unfortunately for those who did not order their SR+ yet the price increase just wiped out a good amount of the savings from the tax credit.
Watts_Up
Well-Known Member
Do you have already a plug installed in your garage or driveway?
If not, this is certainly a good way to start working on it to keep you busy.
Note: The P3 is worth every "second..." waiting. Driving on electrons that fast is an outstanding experience.
Can you find a temporary solution, like getting or borrowing a used Leaf..., while waiting for the Model 3?
If not, this is certainly a good way to start working on it to keep you busy.
Note: The P3 is worth every "second..." waiting. Driving on electrons that fast is an outstanding experience.
Can you find a temporary solution, like getting or borrowing a used Leaf..., while waiting for the Model 3?
We have been a two Tesla-only family for more than a year. No problems whatsoever.
The catch is and it is not your fault.
Tesla cares about quarterly deliveries so what month you order affects the timing (which the website didn't say)
Had you ordered one month ago you would have most likely gotten your car within 2 weeks and a VIN in 1 week.
But you ordered start of Q4 ; so their goal is to deliver your car before end of Q4.
I think OP is being pretty impatient. It is a different buying experience. They might still be recouping from end of quarter push that ended 2 weeks ago. There might still be little bit of tax break push as well and some people might be seeing it as the last chance for any discount (even though it's small).
I ordered a Model X and the time between being built and delivered was 1 week (on the East Coast). That was only 1 month ago. Now everything is 8-10 weeks.
They might be retooling one line for Model Y sooner than later?
I suspect Deliveries will be sooner than estimates.
It's completely normal for Tesla to go Silent until they make some progress on an Order. Progress can be sudden, like from nothing to, can you take Delivery at 4:00PM on Thursday on a Tuesday evening.
I ordered a Model X and the time between being built and delivered was 1 week (on the East Coast). That was only 1 month ago. Now everything is 8-10 weeks.
They might be retooling one line for Model Y sooner than later?
I suspect Deliveries will be sooner than estimates.
It's completely normal for Tesla to go Silent until they make some progress on an Order. Progress can be sudden, like from nothing to, can you take Delivery at 4:00PM on Thursday on a Tuesday evening.
jonquiljo
Active Member
I agree, there is no demand issue. The issue is all Tesla and they are aware of it. The idea behind the new $100 non-refundable deposit confuses me. $100 is irrelevant in the context of buying this car.
I am very glad the website has realistic lead times. Finally, some information! Yet my order still says “Estimated delivery: within 2 weeks from order placed date.” I don’t get that one.
Well at least Tesla is trying to be consistent. I am going to assume December and give up trying to figure out Tesla. They make no sense in the long run.
Wall Street had a heavy reaction when Tesla didn’t sell 100,000 cars in Q3, but that has since corrected. Perhaps Tesla finally realizes that the US market is stronger than ever. Sending 20,000 to 40,000 cars overseas is perhaps a bit much, and they may have changed their mind about that too. 6-8 weeks is about right if they wind down foreign production soon, and switch to US production.
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