Why is Audi E-Tron selling so well in Norway?
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Europe has a 10% import tax, but you can't blame them for an ocean.
Also, it goes both ways. A lot of European cars are never allowed to drive on North-American soil because of different standards.
It's just funny how Americans always seem to forget the 25% import duties that the US slaps on the import of "trucks". That's the reason why almost all of the foreign manufacturers assemble their SUVs in the US, at least those vehicles destined for the US market. The same goes for "Americans only" rules when it comes to owning TV stations and airlines, providing shipping services etc. etc.
But no, we are being told that for some funny reason the world's most powerful nation only ever ended up with the short end of the stick when it came to trade agreements.
I didn’t see that stated here, can you link to where you saw that in this thread?
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I do not currently know the exact ownership structure of MG, but I’m pretty sure it’s de facto owned by the Chinese Military Dictatorship Regime. And I personally will never be able to buy something from such a manufacturer. For the very same reason I will also not buy something from Volvo Cars or Polestar even though I’m Swedish. Some seriously surreal stuff…
Apart from that I think the both the interior and exterior design looks somewhat dated. There might also be some battery and charging tech stuff, but I haven’t bothered checking up on that…
I get what you are saying but most of your electronic stuff and cars will have Chinese made chips etc
SwedishAdvocate
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I’m aware of that. But when it comes to cars there are car manufacturers that are not owned by a Military Dictatorship Regime. For me it’s extremely important to do whatever I can to absolutely minimize the amount of money I give to Military Dictatorships. I would for example never, ever, ever fly with Emirates, Ethiad or Qatar Airways…
Why is Audi E-Tron selling so well in Norway?
Multiple reasons.
It is "new" on the market. It's not cool to have exactly the same vehicle as neighbours.
It is actually premium (not in terms of autopilot) vehicle with premium feel and build quality. Norway is not poor/average country so premium vehicles are selling well.
Tesla S/X are not premium feel/build quality (by German standards). 3/Y have some rust problems, not to mention paint.
Multiple reasons.
It is "new" on the market. It's not cool to have exactly the same vehicle as neighbours.
It is actually premium (not in terms of autopilot) vehicle with premium feel and build quality. Norway is not poor/average country so premium vehicles are selling well.
Tesla S/X are not premium feel/build quality (by German standards). 3/Y have some rust problems, not to mention paint.
uujjj2
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No, the 25% duty doesn't apply to SUVs. It applies to pickup trucks and cargo vans, not SUVs or passenger vans.
According to Wikipedia and other sources the "chicken tax" also applies to SUVs. There is probably a reason why BMW, Mercedes etc. are manufacturing their large SUVs in the US?
Perhaps you have better sources?
"The United States currently imposes a 25% import tariff on light trucks, which includes SUVs, the most popular segment of the US auto industry."
Trump Will Keep Tariffs On European SUVs
Trump Will Keep Tariffs On European SUVs
>Why is Audi E-Tron selling so well in Norway?
1. It's the new toy in town.
Tesla Model X is cool - but lets face it: built on a 2012 base with cosmetical changes since.
2. Norway is super connected.
The biggest draw back of the etron anywhere else in the world, compared to any Tesla is the lack of the charging network.
This is a huge pain. (Source: test drove etron in Germany, ended up on malfunctioning ionity chargers with a 0.79€ct/kWh price tag.)
Norway negates the Tesla advantage with a mostly open, cheap and discrimination free charging network.
Almost every parking lot is wired and you can charge whatever.
One of the perks if you don't have a car manufacturer running your country I guess.
3. It's an AUDI.
There is a significant amount of people who like expensive Skodas.
It enables them to make the change in steps.
Instead of letting go of all your expectations how car dealers work (getting postcards for your birthday every year and a bottle of car dealer branded champaign with each new car bought) AND your beloved exploding dinosaur juice - they can take it slow.
Keeping the well dressed and groomed sales man for now.
1. It's the new toy in town.
Tesla Model X is cool - but lets face it: built on a 2012 base with cosmetical changes since.
2. Norway is super connected.
The biggest draw back of the etron anywhere else in the world, compared to any Tesla is the lack of the charging network.
This is a huge pain. (Source: test drove etron in Germany, ended up on malfunctioning ionity chargers with a 0.79€ct/kWh price tag.)
Norway negates the Tesla advantage with a mostly open, cheap and discrimination free charging network.
Almost every parking lot is wired and you can charge whatever.
One of the perks if you don't have a car manufacturer running your country I guess.
3. It's an AUDI.
There is a significant amount of people who like expensive Skodas.
It enables them to make the change in steps.
Instead of letting go of all your expectations how car dealers work (getting postcards for your birthday every year and a bottle of car dealer branded champaign with each new car bought) AND your beloved exploding dinosaur juice - they can take it slow.
Keeping the well dressed and groomed sales man for now.
The rust thing is compelling. I didn't realise 3 and y had a problem. That'll be a clear factor in a cold and damp country like Norway.
Charging infrastructure is the big one though. No one in Norway(especially the South) gets range anxiety, it has a great EV infrastructure
Charging infrastructure is the big one though. No one in Norway(especially the South) gets range anxiety, it has a great EV infrastructure
What test drive was this?
They always give you this Audi charger card that works on all chargers and where Ionity price is 0.30€/kWh.
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Got the E-Tron for an extensive test drive friday to monday with free charging from an Audi dealership.
I am a good Audi customer though, currently Audi A6 Avant 50 TDI.
I fully understand now why the E-Tron is #1 in Norway, it's great.
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Like the states then?
Either way it's probably a moot point, seeing as Norway is neither one of the United States of America, nor an EU country so it's importing from another market either way.
I was thinking this, surely Audi are one of the Ionity partners that'll give you cheap rates?
It's a bit naughty (also stupid on their part) to not give you that and make you pay the full, crazy expansive, Ionity tariff.
Tell that to "Audi Zentrum Stralsund", no charge card there and the integrated GPS couldn't tell if the charge points are on/offline or blocked.
It worked on the app though.
But I admit that fiddeling with 3rd party apps was kinda offputting.
Combined with the "meh" performance specs...
I'm not that much of a "perfection" car guy, that the (compared to Teslas) way better production quality of the etron would've set off all those parameters enough. But I understand that there are people out there with different priorities and it's cool that they have options now too.
And who knows what they come up with in the next couple of years, it's their first iteration after all.
"Vorsprung durch Technik" !
If you buy an e-tron, you get indeed a free subscription for a year to the Audi tariff. After one year, you need to pay a subscription to get the low IONITY rates. I don't even use superchargers monthly, so I wouldn't even get a card like that for those few times a year I do longer drives.
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