Why no Holiday Update for pre 2021 Model S?

[SilverString]

Tens of thousands have received the Holiday update but not a single pre 2021 Model S or Model X? What its up with this?

 

[pp61]

Tesla is investing less and less in "older" systems. We already bought the car, they just make improvements to the current platform to sell more.

 

[SilverString]

I am beginning to think Elon is not just the richest man in the world, he is the biggest liar in the world - he lies by omission in nearly every statement he makes these days. There are many older M3 and MY than the 2020 and 2019 Model S cars that have gotten it.

 

[planetary]

I am beginning to think Elon is not just the richest man in the world, he is the biggest liar in the world - he lies by omission in nearly every statement he makes these days. There are many older M3 and MY than the 2020 and 2019 Model S cars that have gotten it.

Because all M3 and MY are based on the newer architecture. Older MS and MX (pre-refresh) use "older" tech -- both internally and with their display orientation.

 

[SilverString]

Because all M3 and MY are based on the newer architecture. Older MS and MX (pre-refresh) use "older" tech -- both internally and with their display orientation.

So that is an excuse for lying? The number of refreshed MS and MX represent an insignificant amount of these cars, likely less than 1%.

 

[glide]

Tens of thousands have received the Holiday update but not a single pre 2021 Model S or Model X? What its up with this?

Not sure why people didn’t see this coming. How do you think AP1 owners have felt for the last 3 years?

 

[planetary]

So that is an excuse for lying? The number of refreshed MS and MX represent an insignificant amount of these cars, likely less than 1%.

I think "lying" is a stretch. Misleading? Yes. I would be upset if I missed out, too, so as the kids say: "I feel you".

 

[SilverString]

I think "lying" is a stretch. Misleading? Yes. I would be upset if I missed out, too, so as the kids say: "I feel you".

misleading = lying by omission. Why would they omit such a huge portion of the customer base without a mention? Perhaps there will be a secondary wave or modified version because there are lots of 2020's, 2019 Ravens out there, some just purchased a little over a year ago.

 

[bhzmark]

My old iphone can't do the newest iphone stuff.

So I got a new iphone.

My old laptop can't do the newest laptop stuff.

So I got a new laptop.

My 2014 Model S can't do the newest Model S stuff.

So I got a Plaid.

 

[SilverString]

My old iphone can't do the newest iphone stuff.

So I got a new iphone.

My old laptop can't do the newest laptop stuff.

So I got a new laptop.

My 2014 Model S can't do the newest Model S stuff.

So I got a Plaid.

Welcome to the real world -- and the not the fantasy world of unrealistic entitlement of whiny crybabies.

Infantile comparison. I think you just want a way to brag that you have Plaid.

 

[ucmndd]

Elon “lying”

So much Christmas whining…

 

[garyhartaz]

Just got this holiday wish from Elon and Tesla

MERRY CHRISTMAS, GO F YOURSELF

 

[EVRider-FL]

Tens of thousands have received the Holiday update but not a single pre 2021 Model S or Model X? What its up with this?

Older S/X (“Legacy”) cars will get the Holiday update, but they won’t get all the features. See Introducing Software V11.0.

 

[planetary]

If reducing support for older models is the cost for keeping software updates for the bulk of the fleet moving faster, it sounds like an obvious trade-off to make. As is often said in silicon valley: "the fast eat the slow".

 

[krsgio]

Older S/X (“Legacy”) cars will get the Holiday update, but they won’t get all the features. See Introducing Software V11.0.

So according to that you need at least MCU2 to get the new UI

 

[garyhartaz]

If reducing support for older models is the cost for keeping software updates for the bulk of the fleet moving faster, it sounds like an obvious trade-off to make. As is often said in silicon valley: "the fast eat the slow".

It's a UI - not splitting the atom!

 

[planetary]

It's a UI - not splitting the atom!

True. But managing a platform's complexity budget is vitally important, if you want to preserve velocity. I'm not saying that engineering investment decisions which are velocity-sensitive yields the best outcomes for all customers at all times, but rather it's better for most customers most times.

I don't think Tesla should adopt a "no product (customer) left behind" approach. That's just not sensible.

 

[SilverString]

It's a UI - not splitting the atom!

Correct. As of mid 2019 most MS 100D models had MCU2 and HW3 - mine came that way. The release notes are clear about what cars get what, and I am fine with that, but Tesla is just not rolling the update to us. Either there is some formatting issue with the vertical screen or Tesla has decided that once your car is a year or more old you are screwed, but will not say it. I understand but Elon needs to be more straight forward with his comments. Personally I don't care about the party tricks like the light show, but way points is desirable. I am in the FSD beta program with 10.6.1 and have always gotten the update in a timely manner. Right now it looks like 10.8 is only rolling to the 3's and Y's and they very, very few refreshed Model S beta testers.

 

[SilverString]

True. But managing a platform's complexity budget is vitally important, if you want to preserve velocity. I'm not saying that engineering investment decisions which are velocity-sensitive yields the best outcomes for all customers at all times, but rather it's better for most customers most times.

I don't think Tesla should adopt a "no product (customer) left behind" approach. That's just not sensible.

So according to that you need at least MCU2 to get the new UI

So 1000's of Model S have MCU2 and HW3 but still no update.

 

[planetary]

So 1000's of Model S have MCU2 and HW3 but still no update.

What I am about to say I mean very gently: For someone that's been on these forums since 2020, you should know how Tesla and "schedules" work by now.