Sorry my friend - if you actually read the posts you would have seen many of them empathize with the other owners who have had similar problems. And even if someone is new to the Tesla world - I wish them the best of luck and hope they will have better luck with their Teslas. Sounds like you're from Laguna Niguel - just my hunch
100% agreed. I often feel that some of the designers/engineers at Tesla probably never really owned a car or probably too young to have any real car ownership experience. They tend to complicate things that have been solved over time and simplified by other manufacturers. The wipers and blind spots are perfect examples of that. It seems they are hell bent at reinventing how wipers work and failed miserably
From members' reaction to your postings, I stand by my statement. Here are just a few of your doozies: ________________________________________________________________________________ "All that really matters these days is if the Tesla can be quickly loaded onto the flatbed." - Dec 14 ________________________________________________________________________________ "... Tesla loaner ? No longer exists. As a matter of fact, no loaners or rental vouchers whatsoever. Get ready for a big bushel of Uber credits. I'm not sure how attractive this is during Covid, let alone living a semi-normal life calling for an Uber 3 or 4 times a day." - Oct 19. And there are no loaners or rental vouchers whatsoever? ________________________________________________________________________________ My personal favorite: "... I ask this as a Model S owner who has watched my P85+ start to immolate in a series of electrical failures ... " - Oct 7. So your car caught on fire? Got Drama Much? Why put yourself through all the torture that Tesla ownership has caused you? Get another Leaf. I hear VW is coming out with a Tesla Killer you might want to consider, too. And I'm not from Laguna Niguel. Are you in that Sacramento suburb called Whinerville?
I don’t get why the wipers being complicated to use always comes up. The entire car can be operated with one button on the steering wheel. Push it and say set wipers to one or two or three or four or turn wipers off to turn them off. How much simpler can it be? Am I missing something? As for the Mach e, not for me but anyone would be foolishly closed minded not to consider it and see if it suits their situation.
Just hope the first year of the Mach-E is better than the first year of their new Explorer platform: 2020 Ford Explorer recalled for the 10th time in a single year - Roadshow
I'm really humbled and flattered you are posting these thoughts to the forum. Never mind you cherry-picked a few examples. But I'll happily stand by everything I say, both positive and negative. Don't take this forum so seriously. And make sure to mask up down there !
This has been hashed and rehashed and rehashed on these forums... but just so we're all clear, the fact that a Tesla's advertised (EPA) range is better than what most of us see "in the real world," is not something that is unique to Tesla. Every car I ever owned was not as fuel-efficient as it's EPA rating. I bought my MY back in July, and throughout the heat and summer and the mild weather of Fall I was consistently pegged at a lifetime efficiency that bounced back and forth between 244 and 246 wh/mile (~5000 or so Summer/Fall miles). If you assume, what 72.5 kW of "usable" batter, I think that works out to be 296 or so miles of range... this is comparable to what I've experienced with ICE cars in relation to advertised (EPA) efficiencies and capabilities, too... now with winter upon us here in the Northeast, my efficiency has taken a bit of a hit. I'm often pulling in to my house after a work commute, having achieved something closer to 260 or 265 wh/mile, and my lifetime efficiency is slowly creeping up as a result... But in my experience Tesla's aren't much (any?) more exaggerated than other cars I've owned...
Very detailed reply. I could be wrong on the similar range efficiency aspect. I do remember reading articles about Tesla's real world range is inferior compared to competition. YMMV, but I do find that ICE cars generally get close to the advertised epa numbers. But then individual driving habit may have something to do with it as well. I know 3 Tesla owners, including me that's 4. None of us get anywhere close to the advertised number, EVEN in summer. When we go on trips, we do an adjustment of 0.75. If Tesla shows 200 miles, we expect to drive 150 miles, that's in summer. In winter, I personally lowered it 0.5. But that was then, with every update, there's potential to improve existing mileage and 2021s have heat pump which helps us in northeast even more. There's no reason to debate whether who's right or wrong. Again, YMMV. But I think we can at least agree that Tesla is much more efficient miles per kwh compared to virtually everything else comparable on the market now.
Depends on which manufacturer you are comparing to. This is a narrow comparison to the Mach-E. The EPA spreadsheet can be used to get a pretty good idea of where things will land relative to other manufacturers; it varies - some manufacturers have very efficient vehicles. There is also the question of how much "buffer" other manufacturers provide. If they provide less than 4.5% lower buffer, then their real world results could look better, unless the comparison test in question drives until the car stops moving (they're rarely done this way).
You take it seriously enough to state your MS burned up (IMMOLATED). And masking compliance is pretty good in my part of OC.
Gotta love the hypocrisy of some of the folks on this forum. "I hate tesla!" "My tesla sucks, so all teslas suck" "My (insert last car) never had issues" And yet, at the end of the day they're back behind their keyboards back on this forum.
Tesla isn't perfect, and I agree that they need to up their game for customer service. Likewise they have had some quality issues that are likely coming from being such a new company; however I'm a firm believer that a lot of these issues (such as the Model 3 wheel-well that Sandy Munro lambasted) are being solved by going back to first principles as seen with the new Gigapress, rather than adopting methodologies used by other car companies. I'm fairly confident that the AI windscreen wipers are intended to improve rapidly, much like the FSD, and will therefore end up surpassing the level of accuracy from other solutions given time (and at no extra cost to the consumer for that one). I'm also fairly sure that when Giga Berlin opens we'll see some real car-building talent move to Tesla that will increase quality immensely. I am very happy to see other manufacturers producing decent products that can and will compete, especially over this side of the pond where I can't remember the last time I did a 200 mile journey. There will be some competitive advantages that will help push Tesla to up its game and that's no bad thing. At the end of the day we know that Tesla simply cannot manufacture enough vehicles on their own to move transport to a sustainable future in any decent space of time. So vive la revolution and bring on as many decent EVs as we can.
What a thoughtful, demure post from our friend across the pond. Though I have to admit it's really sad that folks in the UK and EU are waiting for a German factory to build high-quality cars. That's a real problem if we'll get to the point when buyers say I want a Berlin built Tesla, not one off of the US assembly lines.
The issue is not Germany, but new factories, Berlin and Texas with new construction methods, battery pack, engineering and advanced paint shop. Those items are only partially through phase-in at Freemont. Upgrades in Shanghai led to highest quality rating of all Chinese EVs. Also prices will be lower with EU local production.
That old phrase - perception is reality - still applies in many people's minds. Lexus RX's were being built in Canada and Japan when I got mine. The Canadian plant was spitting out the great majority. The sales guy at the time told me the first question coming from shoppers on the lot was... "let me see the door jamb." Yes I am sure Fremont is well past its prime...
I think one of the issues that I've noticed is down to the fact that Teslas are built in the warm and sunny climate of Fremont. I don't know if any of you have visited our fair isle for the winter period, but the biting cold that soaks through into your bones, with constant drizzle and salty, pot-hole filled roads, soft verges and loose chippings... very few cars stand a chance. New bushes are simply an annual eventuality. I've had each side of my suspension actually snap in half, in the last 3 years. It has taken 2 or 3 decades for the vehicles to reach a standard where your lights don't immediately fill with condensate, your arches rust away as you watch or your window seams be filled with lichen. And even then, given long enough, it happens. My car actually features body-coloured decals that cover the areas most likely to get hit. I think once we see German-built Teslas, we'll have engineers used to the miserable conditions that created a love in our two countries of sausages, beer, hot pies and steaming root vegetables; and perhaps see cars that start in the dripping fog, don't freeze all the ports when in sideways freezing rain, and can take a swift kick in the running gear.
There is a difference between building and designing. If all they are doing in Germany is building them using the same parts, design, process, etc. as specified by Fremont then all I would expect is better fit/alignment, better paint, etc. and none of that will change how well the car will perform in the UK winter if those problems are not associated with alignment, fit, etc. Now if Tesla Germany is allowed to make changes, re-design a few things then that could make a difference...
I've never had a chance to visit your isle. So for this Christmas I am consoling myself with a bottle of 18-year Glenmorangie. Strange how all of life's imperfections - whether from the road... from the spouse... from our former president - drift away like Harry and Meagan from the UK when sipping the Glenmorangie.