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Why wasn't Tesla part of the 100 Tech Companies Signing against the Travel Ban?

Discussion in 'Tesla Motors' started by apples1, Feb 6, 2017.

  1. stopcrazypp

    stopcrazypp Well-Known Member

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    The Korematsu case was more complex than that. Reparations granted in the Civil Liberties Act of 1988 had the government essentially admitting they were wrong to do the internment, even thought the Supreme Court never explicitly overturned the decision. There's also been Korematsu's conviction was also overturned given it was shown that the government knowingly submitted false information that were material to the Supreme Court's decision. Of course the Korematsu decision was because it was a time of war. We are however not at war with the 7 nations in question.
    Korematsu v. United States - Wikipedia
     
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  2. sitter_k

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    #142 sitter_k, Feb 12, 2017
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    That's another great law that previously that helped define the US, until now.
     
  3. Chopr147

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    My point was we, as citizens with only snippets of the law in question being studied can predict which way each justice will vote. And have an over 90% prediction rate. The law itself, or constitution is often not the base of decisions anymore. The weight of personal leanings take precedent over law. IMHO. And years of watching the Supreme Court rulings.
     
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    I seem to disagree with most Tesla owners politically. :)
    I live in NY (Liberal), have solar panels and drive an electric car . I must be a Liberal right?
    Not even close! I'm on Long Island which is NOT NYC, :)
    All I would need to say is GW is a bunch a' hogwash and this thread would turn on fire.
    I think it's time to get back to Tesla news for me. I can argue with my Liberal friends,family and on FB. TMC needs to get back to Tesla news and concerns.
    While there are some intelligent people on TMC, smarter than me I don't mind saying but geez, time for me to move on. :rolleyes:
    Maybe time for this thread to be nixed.
     
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  5. Red Sage

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    Perhaps. It seems that even those I typically disagree with also disagree with you. Also, I get the strong impression that what people on the East Coast consider 'Liberal' is somehow different than the way those of us on the West Coast use the term. I know the traditional media likes to call New York a 'Liberal Bastion' or whatever, but they all seem extremely Conservative, to the point of practically being fuddy duddy, from my point of view.
     
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    There's also the Canadian liberal, Canadian West coast liberal would be a couple shades closer to socialism
     
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  7. Tam

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    #147 Tam, Feb 13, 2017
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    http://nypost.com/2017/02/13/trump-will-appeal-court-ruling-suspending-immigration-ban/

    En Banc that is.

    Next step is for 9th Circuit judges to vote to allow an "En Banc", a hearing consisting of 11 judges, not just only 3 like the last time.

    If the judges voted for an En Banc, a hearing will be set.

    It will the be about the TRO just like the last time again.

    If Trump won, the TRO would be cancelled then the team can either fight in Robart's hearing or Supreme Court.

    If the judges voted down for an En Blanc, this kind of hearing "En Banc" will be not be set (Trump then can go to Robart's hearing or Supreme Court or modify executive order or writing a new replacement order...)
     
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    The same people terrified of terrorists and the threat to national security don't seem to mind the thousands killed each year by gun violence...by fellow Americans. Weird/No logic.
     
  9. Tam

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    Trump Loses Bid to Pause Seattle Lawsuit Over Travel Ban

    It sounds like whether what or how soon a vote will be for another re-do of Trump's appeal on the TRO at the 9th Circuit Court (en banc) , judge Robart is not going to wait for that and he wants to hear the merits of the executive order for Anti-Foreign Terrorist Entry.
     
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    Trump to drop travel ban legal fight, issue new executive order

    Round one on this immigration executive order is considered done and finished with.

    The statement blamed the judge panel's "erroneously thought" for this rescinding.

    I hope the next one will have more clarity than the administration's five times of shifting positions on Green Card holders (U.S. Permanent Residences) just overnight and in a few days after signing.
     
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  11. Red Sage

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    This is what can happen when someone holding the Office of the President of the United States believes the nation should be run like a company. If that person is accustomed to issuing 'Executive Orders' to just 'Get It Done!' they may not understand how to deal with having a system of checks and balances in place. You know, those parts of our government designed on purpose to reign in tyrranical behavior.

    It also demonstrates what happens when said POTUS is basically a sock puppet for someone who doesn't believe in civil liberties -- for anyone other than themselves.
     
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  12. Xolt

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    Tesla is a corporation and not an individual and therefore should not have or voice a political opinion. The courts should also not have a political opinion but it seems a great many people who are vocal in these blogs feel they should. There are an incredible number of people in this country that are busy working, living there lives, and don't have the time to blog their opinions. People who read too much importance on these political blog rants may likely be fooling themselves and may likely be out of touch with the majority of Americans. Not to fire up more controversy but an example of this is the result of the last election almost everywhere except the outlier state of California, just a fact. The POTUS clearly has access to classified information, any court or individual on this block obviously can't take all information into account and individuals second-guessing are more than likely wasting their time. On the other hand it may make them feel better and that is really what this blog is all about so take it for what it really is and not a political forum.
     
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  13. Red Sage

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    Wow.
     
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    Fortunately, the majority of American's, the people that contribute most to the tax base and produce 2/3's of the GDP and consumption don't agree with your position.
     
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    Corporations have been in politics prominently.

    Vice President has ties with Koch Industries

    Secretary of State went straight from being Exxon Mobil CEO.

    Treasury Secretary was a long time Goldman Sachs executive

    And so on and on.

    Some companies threatened to fire employees if they would vote for Obama and a fired employee sued.

    Hobby Lobby discriminates against trans workers and women....

    Tesla didn't offer vegan until it was pointed out in a shareholder meeting.

    Tesla is currently fighting back UAW by accusing an employee being paid by the union...
     
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  16. Xolt

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    You took a survey?
     
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    I just like to work up all the Trump haters who think the rest of the world agrees with their position
     
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    You suggest that corporations should not be political but the fact is they are.

    You suggest that Tesla should not be political but the fact is Tesla is.

    You suggest that judges are not political, but they are even in the Supreme court.

    I don't want the rest of the world to agree with me.

    The world is with many views but that does not make the world not political.
     
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    #159 sitter_k, Feb 17, 2017
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    The majority do. America is a laughing stock around the world, heck even half the country thinks it is. But hey F em, cuz merica F ya!
     
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    #160 Xolt, Feb 18, 2017
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    I agree that the US over the last 8 years has been turned into a welfare state spinning into out of control debt and thus people may laugh. If you think America has been turned into a laughing stock at least things have started changing now. I can't agree with you that half of the country now thinks the US is a laughing stock as I haven't seen evidence to support that conclusion. The power of the media is strong on the easily influenced. I have seen though that it only takes a few angry, vocal, well financed, sorry election losers out protesting, often committing crimes, getting their actions well broadcast by a willing often times biased media looking to sway the opinion of easily influenced people. Instead of committing crimes they should show some respect for their fellow citizens and that bolsters more respect and thus American pride. The world is watching these losers and may think they represent the rest of the country but they are just a small well covered slice. Common sense should tell you that the actions of a relative few can't reflect the nation as a whole just because their actions get media coverage. Here is some more fuel to get some more anti Trump media talking points posted. Take a look at the stock market, it's rise sure seems to exactly match a certain day in November. It must be bad to have such American consumer confidence.
     
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