Will Cybertruck final production look different?

[JetFalcon]

I think the cybertruck looks extremely weird, even as a Tesla advocate / fan person. It looks like something out of MineCraft, or a low resolution 3D video game from the 80s. Why couldn't Tesla design a truck that looks similar to possibly the Model X or Model 3, but with a truck body? Like something that looks like a normal car, this car looks like it was made only with rulers and pencils.

Now its just a meme for internet people to make jokes. Are they really going to make this current design as final design for the consumer? I thought it was just a concept vehicle that would eventually not look anything like concept when bought by customers.

 

[ricohman]

Well, the tailights located in the tailgate does not meet DOT standards.
Those have to be body mounted on all trucks with a tail gate.
It will also need mirrors. And a spare tire.

 

[ewoodrick]

Well, the tailights located in the tailgate does not meet DOT standards.
Those have to be body mounted on all trucks with a tail gate.
It will also need mirrors. And a spare tire.

They don't meet today's standards

 

[ewoodrick]

There.may be a few changes before production, but there's a lot of people that really like it now

 

[SSonnentag]

Well, the tailights located in the tailgate does not meet DOT standards.
Those have to be body mounted on all trucks with a tail gate.
It will also need mirrors. And a spare tire.

Not arguing, just would like to find the regs. Everything I've found so far simply says:

Minimum 2, Red, On the rear, symmetrical, as far apart as practicable

 

[SSonnentag]

See this thead, particularly posts 4 and 5.

Can Taillights be on a moveable object like the Trunk?

The CyberTruck does have additional lighting on the back end of the bed rails, so that if the tailgate is down the lighting is still present.

 

[electracity]

Does thick stainless for non-structural panels like the door make sense? I would like to know what stainless that can't be dented with a sledge hammer weighs.

I like the tail lights, but I'm unsure if the show from the side ( I assume rear lights showing from the side is mandatory)

I take the cybertruck as part concept car and part prototype. Sometimes those types of vehicle make production mostly intact, but usually not.

 

[Barklikeadog]

I think the cybertruck looks extremely weird, even as a Tesla advocate / fan person. It looks like something out of MineCraft, or a low resolution 3D video game from the 80s. Why couldn't Tesla design a truck that looks similar to possibly the Model X or Model 3, but with a truck body? Like something that looks like a normal car, this car looks like it was made only with rulers and pencils.

Now its just a meme for internet people to make jokes. Are they really going to make this current design as final design for the consumer? I thought it was just a concept vehicle that would eventually not look anything like concept when bought by customers.

There are other threads where we discuss this. regulations on everything from mirrors, to bumpers, to lighting etc will nerf this a bit.
remember the Ford Atlas?

 

[animorph]

It looks the way it does for reasons that are fundamental to the truck's design. They wanted to use the tough stainless steel for the body. They can't, at least cheaply, form the stainless steel so the body has to be composed of flat surfaces, the fewer the cheaper. This also makes the exoskeleton design practical and efficient. Going to a 3/X/S/Y-like conventional curvy car design means no stainless steel, no exoskeleton, and a higher price. For the pickup, the stainless should be very utilitarian, cost effective, and a little futuristic. A body as durable as the electric drive, and a truck that will last a long time with hard use. While there may be changes in the smaller details of the design, it will still look very much like it does now. Any major change would require a complete clean-sheet redesign.

 

[ThomasD]

DESCRIPTION MANDATORY REQUIREMENTS
Area Equipment (SAE Lens Coding) Functional
Purpose Quantity Color Location Height mm (in.)
from the ground
1 Headlamps - Lower Beam (H, HR)
Attention: US: "DOT" lettering required on lens
Attention: US & Canada: light source code required on lens Forward road illumination Minimum 2 White On the front - symmetrical - as far apart as practicable
(If 4 lamp system - outboard or above upper beams) 560-1370 (22-54)
Headlamps - Upper Beam


(H, HR)
Attention: US: "DOT" lettering required on lens
Attention: US & Canada: light source code required on lens


Forward road illumination Minimum 2 White On the front - symmetrical
( If 4 lamp system - inboard or below lower beams ) 560-1370 (22-54)
Parking Lamps-Attention: Required only on vehicles less than 2032mm wide (P) Indicate parked vehicle Minimum 2 White or Yellow Front - symmetrical - as far apart as practicable 380-1530 (15-60)
Daytime Running Lamps -
Attention: for Canada required, for US optional. (Y2)
Attention: for US, "DRL" lettering required on lens if device is not headlamp Indicate in-use vehicle Minimum 2 White or Yellow Front - symmetrical - as far apart as practicable 380 (15) minimum Maximum depends on type of DRL
Front Turn Signal/Hazard Warning Lamps ( l) Indicate direction of turn / identify disabled vehicle Minimum 2 Yellow Front - symmetrical - as far apart as practicable 380-2110 (15-83)
2 Front Clearance Lamps-
Attention: Required for vehicles 2032mm wide or wider ( P2, PC* or P3*,PC2)
*photometrically certified at installation angle Show vehicle's width Minimum 2 Yellow At widest point - symmetrical - on the front or near the front - facing forward As high as practicable
3 Front Identification Lamps (ID) (P2 or P3) Indicate presence of a wide vehicle Exactly 3 Yellow on the front - center - horizontally spaced 150 mm (6 in.) to 300 mm (12 in.) apart As high as practicable or on top of cab
4a Front Side Marker Lamps ( P2, PC* or P3 ,PC2*)
*photometrically certified at installation angle Minimum 2 Yellow Each side at front - as far forward as practicable 380 (15) minimum
4b Front Side Reflex Reflectors (A) Front and Rear side marker lamps / side Minimum 2 Yellow At front - symmetrical - as far forward as practicable - facing sideward 380-1530 (15-60)
5a Rear Side Marker Lamps ** (P2, PC* or P3, PC2*)
*photometrically certified at installation angle reflex reflector indicate vehicle's presence and length Minimum 2 Red Each side at rear - as far back as practicable 380 (15) minimum
5b Rear Side Reflex
Reflectors**
** not required on Truck Tractors (A) Minimum 2 Red Each side at rear - as far back as practicable - facing sideward 380-1530 (15-60)
6 Rear Clearance Lamps
Attention: Required for vehicles 2032mm wide or wider, but not required on Truck Tractors (P2, PC* or P3, PC2*)
*photometrically certified at installation angle Show vehicle's width -
MAY NOT be combined with tail lamps Minimum 2 Red At widest point - symmetrical - on the rear or near the rear - facing rearward As high as practicable-may be lower only if rear ID lamps are at the top
7 Rear Identification Lamps
(ID)
Attention: Required for vehicles 2032mm wide or wider, but not required on Truck Tractors (P2 or P3 ) Indicate presence of a wide vehicle Exactly 3 Red Rear - center - horizontally spaced 150 mm (6 in.) to 300 mm (12 in.) apart, facing rearward in Canada : at the top - maybe lower if door header narrower than 25mm
in USA: as high as practicable
8 Tail Lamps (T) Indicate vehicle's presence and width Minimum 2 Red On the rear - symmetrical - as far apart as practicable 380-1830 (15-72)
Stop Lamps (S) Indicate braking Minimum 2 Red On the rear - symmetrical - as far apart as practicable 380-1830 (15-72)
Rear Turn Signal/Hazard Warning Lamps ( I) Indicate direction of turn/ identifies disabled veh. Minimum 2 Red or Yellow On the rear - symmetrical - as far apart as practicable 380-2110 (15-83)
Rear Reflex Reflectors (A) Show vehicle's presence and width Minimum 2 Red On the rear - symmetrical - as far apart as practicable - facing rearward 380-1530 (15-60)
9 Backup Lamp (R) Illuminate ground behind the vehicle and alert road users Minimum 1 White Rear No requirement
10 License Plate Lamp(s) (L) Illuminates license plate Minimum 1 White On the rear - above or at the sides of license plate No requirement
11 Center High Mounted Stop Lamp
Attention: Required for vehicles less than 2032mm wide and 4536kg (U3) Indicates braking Minimum 1 Red On the rear - centerline of the vehicle 860 (34) minimum


ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT FOR SPECIFIC VEHICLES

VEHICLES 9.1 m (30 ft.) LONG OR LONGER

DESCRIPTION MANDATORY REQUIREMENTS
Area Equipment (SAE Lens Coding) Functional
Purpose Quantity Color Location Height mm (in.)
from the ground
12a Intermediate Side Marker Lamps (P2 or PC) Indicate presence of a long vehicle Minimum 2 Yellow Each side near center 380 (15) minimum
12b Intermediate Side Reflex Reflectors (A) Indicate presence of a long vehicle Minimum 2 Yellow Each side near center - facing sideward 380-1530 (15-60)
TRUCK TRACTORS


DESCRIPTION MANDATORY REQUIREMENTS
Area Conspicuity Treatment DOT Code Quantity Color Location Height Options
13 Rear Upper Body Marking DOT-C, DOT-C2, DOT-C3, or DOT-C4 Exactly 2 pairs of 300mm long strips White Rear upper corners of cab - facing rearward As high as practicable excluding fairings
14 Rear Marking DOT-C, DOT-C2, DOT-C3, or DOT-C4 Exactly 2 sections of min. 600mm each Red/White Rear - facing rearward - on fenders, on mud flaps brackets, or within 300mm below of the top of mud flaps As horizontal as practicable and not higher than 1525 mm from the ground If mud flaps not used - on the cab or frame mounted brackets

 

[ThomasD]

The rear lights may or may not be legal. The front center light bar will not be legal. There are also min and max height requirements for the lights

 

[woodguyatl]

The rear lights may or may not be legal. The front center light bar will not be legal. There are also min and max height requirements for the lights

What is it about the front that would make it illegal? I read the requirements and can’t see the problem.

 

[Ehninger1212]

DESCRIPTION MANDATORY REQUIREMENTS
Area Equipment (SAE Lens Coding) Functional
Purpose Quantity Color Location Height mm (in.)
from the ground
1 Headlamps - Lower Beam (H, HR)
Attention: US: "DOT" lettering required on lens
Attention: US & Canada: light source code required on lens Forward road illumination Minimum 2 White On the front - symmetrical - as far apart as practicable
(If 4 lamp system - outboard or above upper beams) 560-1370 (22-54)
Headlamps - Upper Beam


(H, HR)
Attention: US: "DOT" lettering required on lens
Attention: US & Canada: light source code required on lens


Forward road illumination Minimum 2 White On the front - symmetrical
( If 4 lamp system - inboard or below lower beams ) 560-1370 (22-54)
Parking Lamps-Attention: Required only on vehicles less than 2032mm wide (P) Indicate parked vehicle Minimum 2 White or Yellow Front - symmetrical - as far apart as practicable 380-1530 (15-60)
Daytime Running Lamps -
Attention: for Canada required, for US optional. (Y2)
Attention: for US, "DRL" lettering required on lens if device is not headlamp Indicate in-use vehicle Minimum 2 White or Yellow Front - symmetrical - as far apart as practicable 380 (15) minimum Maximum depends on type of DRL
Front Turn Signal/Hazard Warning Lamps ( l) Indicate direction of turn / identify disabled vehicle Minimum 2 Yellow Front - symmetrical - as far apart as practicable 380-2110 (15-83)
2 Front Clearance Lamps-
Attention: Required for vehicles 2032mm wide or wider ( P2, PC* or P3*,PC2)
*photometrically certified at installation angle Show vehicle's width Minimum 2 Yellow At widest point - symmetrical - on the front or near the front - facing forward As high as practicable
3 Front Identification Lamps (ID) (P2 or P3) Indicate presence of a wide vehicle Exactly 3 Yellow on the front - center - horizontally spaced 150 mm (6 in.) to 300 mm (12 in.) apart As high as practicable or on top of cab
4a Front Side Marker Lamps ( P2, PC* or P3 ,PC2*)
*photometrically certified at installation angle Minimum 2 Yellow Each side at front - as far forward as practicable 380 (15) minimum
4b Front Side Reflex Reflectors (A) Front and Rear side marker lamps / side Minimum 2 Yellow At front - symmetrical - as far forward as practicable - facing sideward 380-1530 (15-60)
5a Rear Side Marker Lamps ** (P2, PC* or P3, PC2*)
*photometrically certified at installation angle reflex reflector indicate vehicle's presence and length Minimum 2 Red Each side at rear - as far back as practicable 380 (15) minimum
5b Rear Side Reflex
Reflectors**
** not required on Truck Tractors (A) Minimum 2 Red Each side at rear - as far back as practicable - facing sideward 380-1530 (15-60)
6 Rear Clearance Lamps
Attention: Required for vehicles 2032mm wide or wider, but not required on Truck Tractors (P2, PC* or P3, PC2*)
*photometrically certified at installation angle Show vehicle's width -
MAY NOT be combined with tail lamps Minimum 2 Red At widest point - symmetrical - on the rear or near the rear - facing rearward As high as practicable-may be lower only if rear ID lamps are at the top
7 Rear Identification Lamps
(ID)
Attention: Required for vehicles 2032mm wide or wider, but not required on Truck Tractors (P2 or P3 ) Indicate presence of a wide vehicle Exactly 3 Red Rear - center - horizontally spaced 150 mm (6 in.) to 300 mm (12 in.) apart, facing rearward in Canada : at the top - maybe lower if door header narrower than 25mm
in USA: as high as practicable
8 Tail Lamps (T) Indicate vehicle's presence and width Minimum 2 Red On the rear - symmetrical - as far apart as practicable 380-1830 (15-72)
Stop Lamps (S) Indicate braking Minimum 2 Red On the rear - symmetrical - as far apart as practicable 380-1830 (15-72)
Rear Turn Signal/Hazard Warning Lamps ( I) Indicate direction of turn/ identifies disabled veh. Minimum 2 Red or Yellow On the rear - symmetrical - as far apart as practicable 380-2110 (15-83)
Rear Reflex Reflectors (A) Show vehicle's presence and width Minimum 2 Red On the rear - symmetrical - as far apart as practicable - facing rearward 380-1530 (15-60)
9 Backup Lamp (R) Illuminate ground behind the vehicle and alert road users Minimum 1 White Rear No requirement
10 License Plate Lamp(s) (L) Illuminates license plate Minimum 1 White On the rear - above or at the sides of license plate No requirement
11 Center High Mounted Stop Lamp
Attention: Required for vehicles less than 2032mm wide and 4536kg (U3) Indicates braking Minimum 1 Red On the rear - centerline of the vehicle 860 (34) minimum


ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT FOR SPECIFIC VEHICLES

VEHICLES 9.1 m (30 ft.) LONG OR LONGER

DESCRIPTION MANDATORY REQUIREMENTS
Area Equipment (SAE Lens Coding) Functional
Purpose Quantity Color Location Height mm (in.)
from the ground
12a Intermediate Side Marker Lamps (P2 or PC) Indicate presence of a long vehicle Minimum 2 Yellow Each side near center 380 (15) minimum
12b Intermediate Side Reflex Reflectors (A) Indicate presence of a long vehicle Minimum 2 Yellow Each side near center - facing sideward 380-1530 (15-60)
TRUCK TRACTORS


DESCRIPTION MANDATORY REQUIREMENTS
Area Conspicuity Treatment DOT Code Quantity Color Location Height Options
13 Rear Upper Body Marking DOT-C, DOT-C2, DOT-C3, or DOT-C4 Exactly 2 pairs of 300mm long strips White Rear upper corners of cab - facing rearward As high as practicable excluding fairings
14 Rear Marking DOT-C, DOT-C2, DOT-C3, or DOT-C4 Exactly 2 sections of min. 600mm each Red/White Rear - facing rearward - on fenders, on mud flaps brackets, or within 300mm below of the top of mud flaps As horizontal as practicable and not higher than 1525 mm from the ground If mud flaps not used - on the cab or frame mounted brackets

YES.

 

[ThomasD]

As far apart as possible. That light bar makes the headlights as one long piece

 

[Barklikeadog]

What is it about the front that would make it illegal? I read the requirements and can’t see the problem.

illumination Minimum 2 White On the front - symmetrical - as far apart as practicable
(If 4 lamp system - outboard or above upper beams)

there's no 'rule' against decorating production vehicles with christmas lights... that doesn't make it ok. It's getting the [disapproval] stamp anyway

 

[woodguyatl]

illumination Minimum 2 White On the front - symmetrical - as far apart as practicable
(If 4 lamp system - outboard or above upper beams)

there's no 'rule' against decorating production vehicles with christmas lights... that doesn't make it ok. It's getting the [disapproval] stamp anyway

So if the outer parts of the strip include the headlight bulbs and they have interior dividers like current light assemblies that would seem to be Ok wouldn’t it?

 

[Barklikeadog]

So if the outer parts of the strip include the headlight bulbs and they have interior dividers like current light assemblies that would seem to be Ok wouldn’t it?

I'm reading the rules just like you are. There's a reason every auto on the road has similar lookign, similar sized, similarly spaced head and tail lights. Trucks have vertical taillights. It's not because they all want to look alike, they are required. I don't see a problem with an LED strip on the back of the cybertruck. other vehicles have creative light strips on the back of vehicles. as long as the taillights are easy to distinguish.

 

[ThomasD]

24411. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a vehicle may be
equipped with not more than eight lamps for use as headlamps while
the vehicle is operated or driven off the highway. The lamps shall be
mounted at a height of not less than 16 inches from the ground, or
more than 12 inches above the top of the passenger compartment, at
any place between the front of the vehicle and a line lying on a
point 40 inches to the rear of the seat occupied by the driver, shall
be wired independently of all other lighting circuits, and, whenever
the vehicle is operated or driven upon a highway, shall be covered
or hooded with an opaque hood or cover, and turned off.



Disclaimer: These codes may

 

[geoffmanley]

How many guns do you think the gun rack will hold?

 

[Electruck]

It SHALL look the same as the prototype, almost exact. Sourcing parts is simple and shall take over the Detroit OPEC framework of old; Elon's business plan works, and they know it.

If you don't like it, go to the Rivian or whatever turns your crank.