sleepydoc
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…and there you have the reason Mercedes is willing to jump to Level 3 for speeds under 40!
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Will Mercedes jump to level 3 before Tesla? Looks like it.
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sleepydoc
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In addition, the jury dynamics are quite different when it’s a big corporation.
Eventually what I suspect will happen is the corporations themselves will pay insurance companies to essentially insure their self driving code. Regardless, I agree on the need for tort reform and legislation regarding automated driving systems. I just doubt there’s the political will for eitehr.
sleepydoc
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His limousine driver rear ended another car and he broke his neck when he hit the partition. No seatbelt obviously. You can clearly die from a low speed collision but if you're seat belted in a modern car it's incredibly rare. Not put the restrictions that Mercedes has - on a controlled access highway, good weather, staying in your lane... Pretty sure the number would be zero.
EVNow
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You are saying Mercedes wants to "correct" the situation
Hope Tesla won't be that dumb.I wish Tesla would do it too
ps : Do you drive a lot in traffic < 38 mph on highways ?
Not sure if already posted.
www.caranddriver.com
2022 Mercedes-Benz EQS with Drive Pilot: Autonomous on the Autobahn
Brush up on sudoku or legally watch TV with Level 3 self-driving, but not (yet) in the USA.
www.caranddriver.com
sleepydoc
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Not sure if already posted.
2022 Mercedes-Benz EQS with Drive Pilot: Autonomous on the Autobahn
Brush up on sudoku or legally watch TV with Level 3 self-driving, but not (yet) in the USA.
according the article that @vapor trail posted, tunnels are another circumstance that Mercedes excludes. As are wet roads. And construction. or narrowing lanes.
Notably, the article stated that you could use your phone with the system engaged (contradicting earlier posts in this thread.) The author stated he rarely went longer than 30 seconds because of all the limitations. "Mercedes has won the race to a production implementation of Level 3 driving automation, but in a sensible and unexciting way."
As I've said before, I don't think Mercedes had made any huge technological leap in abilities that other companies like Tesla haven't, and the actual use for the system is incredibly limited, but it's still at least some progress in the self-driving front.
Daniel in SD
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I bet many pedestrians are killed (for example emergency responders and people changing tires).
I'm not aware of any tunnels on interstates in California and it doesn't rain here.
The construction zone limitation would be a problem. The I-5 in north San Diego county has been under construction for years and that's definitely somewhere you could use it daily if not for that restriction.
Being able to use my phone would be nice for sure, I'd have more time to argue on TMC.
I think it's way more difficult than you think to go from the reliability of Autopilot to the reliability required for Drive Pilot (again I'm not saying that Mercedes has actually achieved it).
I work from home, so i mostly avoid driving anywhere during traffic hours, but if i could sit in a traffic jam and use my phone or watch videos, i'd be more likely to go places
sleepydoc
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...As is VW, and Toyota, and Ford, and BMW, and....
Actually, one concern that's been raised with FSD technology is that time wasted driving is a natural disincentive. If everyone has a car capable of FSD and they can sit and read a book while the car drives it could lead to worse traffic congestion.
stopcrazypp
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Here in Northern California there are tunnels.I'm not aware of any tunnels on interstates in California and it doesn't rain here.
There's the Yerba Buena Tunnel connecting to the Bay Bridge on I-80 (the most congested interstate in northern California).
Yerba Buena Tunnel - Wikipedia
There's also the Caldecott Tunnel. It's not on an interstate, but it's on a multilane controlled access state freeway (SR-24), so functionally the same. This route is also one of the most congested routes in California.
Caldecott Tunnel - Wikipedia
Before the pandemic, both of these routes were ranked in the top 10 most congested in the Bay Area (including the portion with the tunnel):
https://mtc.ca.gov/sites/default/files/top_10_congestion_locations-2016.pdf
Here in the Bay Area, even though it pretty much never snows, it rains about 70 days per year on average.
In comparison to most of the Bay Area, very few tunnels. Peninsula, South Bay, SF, most of East Bay. If you drive through one of those tunnels and have to take over for 30 seconds, it’s not a big deal imo.
So you’re saying that so many people actually want self driving cars under 40mph that it would create more traffic?
I’m just speaking for myself. But clearly many of you here in this thread have no interest in cars that can drive you around under 40mph, so why would there be more traffic?
I think that is how nature evolves...all creatures find their niche in the environment that suits their strengths and protects them from their weaknesses....so Mercedes Benz (and other L3 cars of their ilk)..create their perfect operating environment....they can’t do anything else..its natureSo you’re saying that so many people actually want self driving cars under 40mph that it would create more traffic?
I’m just speaking for myself. But clearly many of you here in this thread have no interest in cars that can drive you around under 40mph, so why would there me more traffic?
So, will Mercedes navigation have a setting to prefer traffic jams?
sleepydoc
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all silently creeping along... until that one person accelerates just enough to break that 45 MPH ceiling. Suddenly all the cars start binging, telling their drivers to wake up, but some are fast asleep and the cars come to a complete stop. It'll be horrible!
stopcrazypp
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You can't sleep in a L3 car, Mercedes has a sleep detection system to prevent this (I'm glad they do instead of trusting the driver).
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