The only one saying they were going to test for 5 minutes was you lol. Of course they will test diligently so they can make sure the system is safe and not have to pay out with at-fault accidents all the time.
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Will Mercedes jump to level 3 before Tesla? Looks like it.
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Yea that's true, and totally BS imo, and then you're required to pay extra to have uninsured motorist insurance to cover for those people that just run away. I assume Mercedes will cover in those instances. Either use cameras to capture plate info, dashcam footage, etc... If they don't, how can owners have confidence in the system, they wouldn't pay for it otherwise
AlanSubie4Life
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It's hard to say. In a manual transmission with a lot of engine braking that may well make less use of the brake lights than a Tesla. But it depends on the human driver and their habits in both the EV & the ICE vehicle. For me I suspect the brake light use is similar. It's relatively easy to use modest regen without engaging the brake lights - you just have to use regen conservatively. The brake lights actuation is related to the g forces and you can get a lot of regen at high speeds with quite low g force (so especially at high speed I think it's fairly easy to avoid triggering the brake lights). In the end it's about being smooth and determining how aggressively you want to stop, which is largely controlled by the driver and their ability to anticipate.
Yeah, that's because it is really bad at driving properly & smoothly. Sudden jerks are going to show up as high g force and will trigger brake lights.
Yes, again, FSD is quite bad at driving like a reasonable human driver in acceleration/speed profile.
It also doesn't drive like a regular driver in an EV!
My point is that the issues with FSD & it potentially brake checking people are entirely unrelated to it being an EV and whether or not the brake lights come on. An optimal implementation would only use the brake lights when it's appropriate. This is most certainly not the case at the moment.
I have no idea how smooth Mercedes is. I assume Mercedes drivers would not put up with a lack of smoothness. But will be impossible to know without experiencing it (can't get it from a video unless they include an accelerometer readout)
When I drive an ice car on the freeway, if I’m slowing down by coasting, I always dab the brake pedal so the car behind knows that I’m slowing. The brake light while regen is one of the things that I really like about Teslas
Just keep in mind that the brake light on a Tesla is triggered by a deceleration threshold, so if you let off the accelerator just enough to coast, or barely regen on a highway, the brake light will not come on. At high speeds, like on the highway, you have to regen very hard for the brake lights to come on.
This used to be verified much more easily when your car in the visualization was bigger. I used to watch the taillights like a hawk to learn the conditions in which the brake lights are illuminated. And the new FSDb versions make it even harder to check because now when you pinch to zoom the visualization, it snaps back to default view almost immediately. You need to pinch and hold your position to keep it zoomed in.
Sounds like you need to be Rose Mary Woods to see the brake lights. A larger image or indicator light would be nice.
Aren’t you more or less aware of how the brake lights work at this point? Not sure why you would want to see them every time. I know They come on when you’re slowing down. Good enough for me lol
Exactly. Whenever I'm significantly slowing, there's usually something in front of the windshield that is of higher priority than what's behind it.
Daniel in SD
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I think miles are reported at the end of the year. There's probably no way they'll test enough to statistically prove it's safe. I'm guessing the rate of deadly collisions in traffic jams is extremely low. Hopefully they're very confident it won't hit pedestrians. I wonder how it react if it's a lane next to the shoulder with someone outside of their car or just about to get out of their car.
Daniel in SD
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I hate it when people use their brakes on the freeway. Please look at what's happening several cars in front of you and you'll be able to predict the future.
This is also why I hate using Autopilot in traffic jams if the person in front of me isn't looking several cars ahead.
My prediction is that Mercedes system will also be garbage as it will rely on a Lidar sensor that can only see the car directly in front of it.
This is also why I hate using Autopilot in traffic jams if the person in front of me isn't looking several cars ahead.
My prediction is that Mercedes system will also be garbage as it will rely on a Lidar sensor that can only see the car directly in front of it.
AlanSubie4Life
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Daniel in SD
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I have wondered why there isn't a camera in the driver's side corner of the windshield.
AlanSubie4Life
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sleepydoc
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I hate it more when people don't use their brakes
Daniel in SD
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Yes, please use your brakes when necessary. haha.
Once when I was a teenager the car in front of me collided with the car in front of them at about 40mph and I hadn't left enough room to stop with the horrible brakes and tires of my 1987 Toyota Corolla. Both large cars in front of me were completely wrecked but somehow I got blamed for 10% of the damage to the first car when all I had was a broken headlight. Still upset about that. haha.
Mercedes DRIVE PILOT: Level 3 luxury, coming soon to US
Mercedes invited us to Germany to preview the level 3 autonomous Drive Pilot software that will soon be hitting roads in Germany and the US
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What's stopping tesla from having a subset of this functionality for Europe? As long as they allow sales of FSD in Europe they should do whatever they can to enable the parts that are actually allowed.
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Daniel in SD
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LIDAR.Mercedes DRIVE PILOT: Level 3 luxury, coming soon to US
Mercedes invited us to Germany to preview the level 3 autonomous Drive Pilot software that will soon be hitting roads in Germany and the US
What's stopping tesla from having a subset of this functionality for Europe? As long as they allow sales of FSD in Europe they should do whatever they can to enable the parts that are actually allowed.
Just kidding
I think it's for the same reason they don't have it in the US, it's really hard to do.
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