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Will Model X have electrochromic windows?
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or speculate that you control the tint by swiping your finger on the glass itself!
I've been wondering about the X windshield. If it really does extend as far back as it appears, and if, because of the falcon doors, it can neither open nor support a pull shut shade, then how could Tesla keep the interior from getting too hot on bright days?
What if they could electronically darken the upper portion of the windshield? Folks have been speculating on side windows, but the elephant in the room is the glass roof. I rode in a friend's S the other day, and there was a screen inserted inside the roof glass that helped a lot. Not sure how well that would work on the upper portions of the windshield, since there would be no roof structure to fasten the front of it to. So I for one am rooting for electronically dimming glass.
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This is exactly what this thread is speculating.
That said, I'm glad gorilla glass was brought up again too, perhaps that huge swath of frontal glass might benefit from gorilla glass. Then again, I have no idea if gorilla glass' properties are suitable for automotive work.
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Funny thing is, the banter from MsElectric seemed - while I get it was in jest - fairly plausible. Sometimes it is the "crazy" ideas that actually can bear some fruit. Until they got to the transparent solar panels anyway. There is no precedent for solar-panels on the Model X and automotive precedent of solar-panel sunroofs has been of limited us (mostly running fans on parked cars - Tesla doesn't need that since its batteries can do even better and run AC). Let alone transparent ones.
But there is no reason why hybrid sapphire/gorilla glass with electrochromic and water repellant hydrophobic coating couldn't theoretically be starting points for some discussion on the potential glass features on Model X. I get it that it is mostly a list of consumer electronics buzzwords, but I wouldn't discount them merely because they are buzzwords. Things like oleophobic coating, gorilla glass, sapphire glass and electrochromic as well as photochromic glass, are real technologies - the bigger question would be their applicability to automotive use (questionable in many case), and of course finally is there any reason to believe Tesla might be using them (we have no sources to support such).
The electrochromic windows case, perhaps, seems on the plausible end of the spectrum of all those wild terms thrown in the wind, due to the leaked photo - although perhaps it was just about the rear-view mirror technology too. The second thing that strikes plausible to me is some extra-strong or special glass technology for making that bonnet-to-falcon-wings panoramic windshield, which incidentally would also benefit from an electrochromic feature.
But there is no reason why hybrid sapphire/gorilla glass with electrochromic and water repellant hydrophobic coating couldn't theoretically be starting points for some discussion on the potential glass features on Model X. I get it that it is mostly a list of consumer electronics buzzwords, but I wouldn't discount them merely because they are buzzwords. Things like oleophobic coating, gorilla glass, sapphire glass and electrochromic as well as photochromic glass, are real technologies - the bigger question would be their applicability to automotive use (questionable in many case), and of course finally is there any reason to believe Tesla might be using them (we have no sources to support such).
The electrochromic windows case, perhaps, seems on the plausible end of the spectrum of all those wild terms thrown in the wind, due to the leaked photo - although perhaps it was just about the rear-view mirror technology too. The second thing that strikes plausible to me is some extra-strong or special glass technology for making that bonnet-to-falcon-wings panoramic windshield, which incidentally would also benefit from an electrochromic feature.
I don't think that sapphire glass is realistic. It is extremely expensive and it is my understanding that the price goes up exponentially as you increase surface area. Also, I don't think that Tesla is at the point where they can work magic deals with glass companies like Corning to come out with innovative new glass technology (like Apple did with Gorilla glass). Whatever glass they use, I think it will be industry standard - maybe not the car industry though.
I agree- I wasn't jesting the utility of MsElectric list but the extensiveness and thus viability for a car that comes out next month.
I wouldn't put sapphire inside the glass, so you'd need tiles large enough and molecularly cut them with the right curvature, all of which is just stuff entering proof of concept if even that.
For sure one day there'll be material systems that do all this and more, not now.
I wouldn't put sapphire inside the glass, so you'd need tiles large enough and molecularly cut them with the right curvature, all of which is just stuff entering proof of concept if even that.
For sure one day there'll be material systems that do all this and more, not now.
As I said, just listing some buzzwords to discuss a concept - obviously automotive solutions may come from something else than smart device stuff.
Starting around the Jersey Girl "Michigan" sightings, white stickers started appearing on the Model X mule windows, around the areas where one might expect those little window specs being printed on. Of course there was also the potential insider photo that was tracked down to a company/employee specializing in special rear-view mirrors and, allegedly, electrochromic windows... also in Michigan.
This mule also seems to keep windows open (just barely enough in the case of the rear), to hide the lower parts of windows where text might be printed. The stickers also extend to the roof where the falcon wings have (assumedly fixed) skylights.
So, that begs the question, are these stickers covering details on final production windows perhaps.
In any case, with this photo (and another one like it), we get confirmation on which part of the rear window opens - not that it was uncertain in anyway, but always good to have a new detail to work with.
Also a funky strip of red masking tape on this one.
This mule also seems to keep windows open (just barely enough in the case of the rear), to hide the lower parts of windows where text might be printed. The stickers also extend to the roof where the falcon wings have (assumedly fixed) skylights.
So, that begs the question, are these stickers covering details on final production windows perhaps.
In any case, with this photo (and another one like it), we get confirmation on which part of the rear window opens - not that it was uncertain in anyway, but always good to have a new detail to work with.
Also a funky strip of red masking tape on this one.
Chalk this up to hugely speculative, but just for fun.
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AnxietyRanger, you are so hyped up that even if Tesla releases the X with an ion engine to do suborbital hops between continents (leveraging SpaceX knowledge) you will still be disappointed.
All joking aside, it is great to see someone following the rumours so closely. I have particularly appreciated your summary posts. Keep it coming !
All joking aside, it is great to see someone following the rumours so closely. I have particularly appreciated your summary posts. Keep it coming !
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AnxietyRanger, you are so hyped up that even if Tesla releases the X with an ion engine to do suborbital hops between continents (leveraging SpaceX knowledge) you will still be disappointed.
All joking aside, it is great to see someone following the rumours so closely. I have particularly appreciated your summary posts. Keep it coming !
I think I will be disappointed but for a different reason - by not having any speculation to do once Model X gets released! Luckily Model 3 is a bit further away...
That said, certainly a Magic Sky type of feature for the panoramic Model X windshield would make usability sense, if the large glass extends without any break or cross-beam from the bonnet all the way to the falcon wings as we assume it does at least on the mules. But of course any "tinting" could also be static and not adjustable (similar to the Model S panoramic window).
FWIW, the September leakster's Model X CAD that got pulled did feature (in addition to the cross-beamless A pillar area of the huge windshield) regular sunscreens attached to the A pillars (there is no roof/cross-beam to attach to as usual), which might speak against an electronic version - unless the latter is optional or sunscreens are legally mandated. Sunscreens could also help on the sides, if those windows are not chromatic. Then again, any leaks may be outdated by the time production hits and things may change.
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I think I will be disappointed but for a different reason - by not having any speculation to do once Model X gets released! Luckily Model 3 is a bit further away...
Haha ! I'll be following the speculation on the M3 with great interest as it might very well be the Tesla for me, whereas the MX certainly isn't (and the MS is too big and out of my budget now.)
But we might be disappointed (regarding the amount of speculation possible with the M3), as Elon has already stated that the M3 would be a car without surprises (as in, no falcon wing doors, and an "cheap"/easy to build design.)
I'm sure some adjustable tinting would be particularly useful on the MX (if it doesn't have that cross-beam), and the fact that it is already done by other manufacturers is a good sign that it is possible to implement in the MX. And it's cool !
I agree some adjustable tinting would indeed be cool. Time will tell.
As for Model 3, I agree it probably will be slightly less exciting given Elon's latest comments. Nor am I committing myself to any Model 3 vigil as I'm not - at least currently - on the market for one. But of course Model 3 will still hide some secrets - secrets of design, of what features to expect trickle down from Model S and X and how are they implemented etc. Also the group of people interested in the car will be a lot bigger, meaning probably more sightings once mules hit the roads, as well as more interested people taking part in speculating. I'm sure a lot of people will get a kick out of that in the not-too-distant future. Also, perhaps it will get more exciting after the first model, if talk of more adventurous later variants amounts to anything!
As for Model 3, I agree it probably will be slightly less exciting given Elon's latest comments. Nor am I committing myself to any Model 3 vigil as I'm not - at least currently - on the market for one.
But of course Model 3 will still hide some secrets - secrets of design, of what features to expect trickle down from Model S and X and how are they implemented etc. Also the group of people interested in the car will be a lot bigger, meaning probably more sightings once mules hit the roads, as well as more interested people taking part in speculating. I'm sure a lot of people will get a kick out of that in the not-too-distant future. Also, perhaps it will get more exciting after the first model, if talk of more adventurous later variants amounts to anything!I agree some adjustable tinting would indeed be cool. Time will tell.
As for Model 3, I agree it probably will be slightly less exciting given Elon's latest comments. Nor am I committing myself to any Model 3 vigil as I'm not - at least currently - on the market for one.
The Model-3 will be purchased by a whole different breed of consumers. Ones that are not early adopters or fanatical about this sort of thing. I predict that the majority of Model-3 consumers won't be huddled around a forum, drooling for scraps of information to feed on.
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