Will Porsche Mission E be the right vehicle for me?

[McRat]

Have you driven the model 3?

Well if it's worse than an A4, then I think someone would have said something by now. A kiddy-version Camaro will disembowel any A4 in the twisties and it's a $25k car. The track versions? Makes anything Audi sells cry...

 

[gowthamn]

Well if it's worse than an A4, then I think someone would have said something by now. A kiddy-version Camaro will disembowel any A4 in the twisties and it's a $25k car. The track versions? Makes anything Audi sells cry...

The A4 is a family car. More sporty than family cars costing less than 30k though. But Audi is more luxurious than Camaro.
It's the same reason I don't want to buy a Model S. It's not sporty. Don't know about Model 3. But Porsche drives awesome.

 

[Jeff N]

I'm sure it will be fantastic to drive, but there will be no Porsche supercharging network so you probably won't take it far. Tesla has a 6 year head start building the network and I doubt other large manufacturers would spend the money to put in stations at a similar or faster pace. Mission E will probably rely on 3rd party stations and that will be another hassle to deal with.

The network that Porsche will reply on in the US initially is one being built by.... Porsche (VW Group) doing business as Electrify America. In Europe, VW is involved in multiple efforts to install ultra-fast charging.

Their SC network will consist solely of fast chargers at Porsche stations and the existing public chademo network, exactly as Nissan did.

I suppose it’s possible that they could install some ultra-fast chargers at Porsche-specific locations, but they certainly won’t be relying on “the existing public chademo network”. Porsche is using CCS, not CHAdeMO.

Electrify America’s schedule calls for 50+ highway charging locations in California by late 2019 with between 4 and 10 charging stalls at each locations. All stalls will be 150 kW capable and about half will also be 350 kW capable.

Outside of California, they plan to build 150 highway charging locations by mid-2019 but with no specific promises for 350 kW charging. Another 90-100 locations would be in development by mid-2019 and likely completed in the next year or so.

This is the map of the initial ~300 locations. None of these are at or near Porsche or VW dealers and they are brand neutral. It is roughly similar is overall coverage density to where Tesla was in late 2015. The highlighted yellow areas are 17 metro areas that will additionally get community 240V L2 charging and some community fast charging plaza clusters.

 

[jelloslug]

The network that Porsche will reply on in the US initially is one being built by.... Porsche (VW Group) doing business as Electrify America. In Europe, VW is involved in multiple efforts to install ultra-fast charging.


I suppose it’s possible that they could install some ultra-fast chargers at Porsche-specific locations, but they certainly won’t be relying on “the existing public chademo network”. Porsche is using CCS, not CHAdeMO.

Electrify America’s schedule calls for 50+ highway charging locations in California by late 2019 with between 4 and 10 charging stalls at each locations. All stalls will be 150 kW capable and about half will also be 350 kW capable.

Outside of California, they plan to build 150 highway charging locations by mid-2019 but with no specific promises for 350 kW charging. Another 90-100 locations would be in development by mid-2019 and likely completed in the next year or so.

This is the map of the initial ~300 locations. None of these are at or near Porsche or VW dealers and they are brand neutral. It is roughly similar is overall coverage density to where Tesla was in late 2015. The highlighted yellow areas are 17 metro areas that will additionally get community 240V L2 charging and some community fast charging plaza clusters.

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How many plugs per location?

 

[gowthamn]

The network that Porsche will reply on in the US initially is one being built by.... Porsche (VW Group) doing business as Electrify America. In Europe, VW is involved in multiple efforts to install ultra-fast charging.


I suppose it’s possible that they could install some ultra-fast chargers at Porsche-specific locations, but they certainly won’t be relying on “the existing public chademo network”. Porsche is using CCS, not CHAdeMO.

Electrify America’s schedule calls for 50+ highway charging locations in California by late 2019 with between 4 and 10 charging stalls at each locations. All stalls will be 150 kW capable and about half will also be 350 kW capable.

Outside of California, they plan to build 150 highway charging locations by mid-2019 but with no specific promises for 350 kW charging. Another 90-100 locations would be in development by mid-2019 and likely completed in the next year or so.

This is the map of the initial ~300 locations. None of these are at or near Porsche or VW dealers and they are brand neutral. It is roughly similar is overall coverage density to where Tesla was in late 2015. The highlighted yellow areas are 17 metro areas that will additionally get community 240V L2 charging and some community fast charging plaza clusters.

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This is very useful information.

 

[gowthamn]

How many plugs per location?

Between 4 to 10. Remember that half of them will be 350kw. So many are not required since people wait for less time to charge. Also Porsche will have fewer vehicles than Tesla.

 

[strider]

Thanks @Jeff N ! Good info. I stand corrected. I truly hope they do it.

 

[Jeff N]

More here in an article I wrote a month ago:

New Year Brings Ultra-Fast Charging to US Highways - HybridCars.com

 

[gowthamn]

More here in an article I wrote a month ago:

New Year Brings Ultra-Fast Charging to US Highways - HybridCars.com

Are even the 350kw chargers also publically available for all cars or just for Porsche?

 

[FlatSix911]

The network that Porsche will reply on in the US initially is one being built by.... Porsche (VW Group) doing business as Electrify America. In Europe, VW is involved in multiple efforts to install ultra-fast charging.

I suppose it’s possible that they could install some ultra-fast chargers at Porsche-specific locations, but they certainly won’t be relying on “the existing public chademo network”. Porsche is using CCS, not CHAdeMO.

Electrify America’s schedule calls for 50+ highway charging locations in California by late 2019 with between 4 and 10 charging stalls at each locations. All stalls will be 150 kW capable and about half will also be 350 kW capable.

Outside of California, they plan to build 150 highway charging locations by mid-2019 but with no specific promises for 350 kW charging. Another 90-100 locations would be in development by mid-2019 and likely completed in the next year or so.

This is the map of the initial ~300 locations. None of these are at or near Porsche or VW dealers and they are brand neutral. It is roughly similar is overall coverage density to where Tesla was in late 2015. The highlighted yellow areas are 17 metro areas that will additionally get community 240V L2 charging and some community fast charging plaza clusters.

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This is not a VW-Porsche network ... the Dieselgate settlement requires this infrastructure will be open to all brands

 

[FlatSix911]

The A4 is a family car. More sporty than family cars costing less than 30k though. But Audi is more luxurious than Camaro.
It's the same reason I don't want to buy a Model S. It's not sporty. Don't know about Model 3. But Porsche drives awesome.

Do you own any P-cars ... if not, go for a drive on the track and see what it's all about

 

[Jeff N]

Are even the 350kw chargers also publically available for all cars or just for Porsche?

All of the facilities being build by VW’s Electrify America subsidiary are being done as part of their dieselgate settlement as FlatSix911 says. Their chargers will be open to all users.

 

[Uncle Paul]

Anyone know what these chargers will cost to users?

 

[roblab]

Do you own any P-cars ... if not, go for a drive on the track and see what it's all about

I don't drive on a track. I drive on a two lane mountain road. The S and the 3 handle it just fine. I pass P-cars going up hill. I don't understand the excitement, never did for 50 years. Not my choice of car.

Took a Porsche driver for a ride one rainy day. After 2 minutes he got it. Heard a couple months later that he'd sold his Porsche and bought a Tesla. To each his own, I guess.

 

[gowthamn]

I don't drive on a track. I drive on a two lane mountain road. The S and the 3 handle it just fine. I pass P-cars going up hill. I don't understand the excitement, never did for 50 years. Not my choice of car.

Took a Porsche driver for a ride one rainy day. After 2 minutes he got it. Heard a couple months later that he'd sold his Porsche and bought a Tesla. To each his own, I guess.

Yes. Some like acceleration and instant torque. They will like Tesla. If one wants handling and nimbleness, then they won't like the Model S.

 

[FlatSix911]

I don't drive on a track. I drive on a two lane mountain road. The S and the 3 handle it just fine. I pass P-cars going up hill. I don't understand the excitement, never did for 50 years. Not my choice of car.

Took a Porsche driver for a ride one rainy day. After 2 minutes he got it. Heard a couple months later that he'd sold his Porsche and bought a Tesla. To each his own, I guess.

You are missing half of the driving experience.
Both are great cars for different purposes on the track/street...the truth will set you free

 

[gowthamn]

You are missing half of the driving experience.
Both are great cars for different purposes on the track/street...the truth will set you free

That is why I am waiting for the mission e. Hopefully it's a mix of both worlds.

 

[gowthamn]

All of the facilities being build by VW’s Electrify America subsidiary are being done as part of their dieselgate settlement as FlatSix911 says. Their chargers will be open to all users.

The 800v chargers have Porsche branding. So will they still be part of electrify America

 

[MrBigSmiles]

If you have the means to, get a Tesla now to fill the 2-3yrs it takes to see the Mission-E in production and then trade in the S!

 

[McRat]

You are missing half of the driving experience.
Both are great cars for different purposes on the track/street...the truth will set you free

Cars are so good today, that if somebody wants to 'feel' excitement, they are probably better off with something that isn't leading the pack.
Supercars aren't scary like they used to be even with all the babysitters off. The speeds required to get a modern supercar to it's limits aren't something practical for the street.

(my def of Supercar: under 100' from 60-0, more than 1.05g lateral, more than 175mph up top, will lap a track 10 laps without hurting it).