Knightshade
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Naah- they've already mentioned the "tesla network" will have human drivers initially- no robotaxis needed to join that!
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Will Tesla be able to deliver FSD with HW3.0 and current Model 3 sensor suite, ever?
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Naah- they've already mentioned the "tesla network" will have human drivers initially- no robotaxis needed to join that!
1. Try strangling it with one hand only!
Just joking, but do realise the steering sensor relies on torque, not grip strength. With elbow resting on windowsill the weight of one hand at 9 o'clock is enough to keep it happy.
2. Also, handling stop signs & roundabouts are not activated yet in Europe. (turn off at exit on NoAP works for me just about everywhere)
Stopping at stop signs is tentatively expected (per Elon Tweet) in Q3 of 2020.
3. If you took a new delivery last week you cannot have EAP; do you mean FSD?
Ideally it would be a great solution. But I guess FSD will be advanced enough already before it will ever happen. Regulators Tesla has to deal with now are federal, so we are talking about maybe 200 or so regulatory bodies worldwide. Now with city levels, we are talking about millions of entities to coordinate or cooperate with. So I guess it can only happen AFTER actual FSD is operational to a large extent, so cities will see benefits substantial enough to invest in major changes at the city level.
SilverString
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Having driven a great deal with AutoPilot and FSD I think there may be a bit of a shock when it gets turned on in other countries like in the US. Roundabouts in particular are scary, and there are many two lane roundabouts appearing - they are a recipe for a wreck with the best of human drivers - FSD is likely to enter and start screaming its head off, red screening you, and stop. I won't enter them except on FHD (Full Human Drive).
I will not attempt entering a two-lane roundabout in FSD mode, that is for sure! Great term you couned for FHD. We should probably invent something more distinctive from FSD, though.
Knightshade
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It's been mentioned a bunch....
Most recent on the last investor call
Tesla will launch ride-sharing app with its own driver insurance - Electrek
They mention Elon "reiterated" his plan to release the Tesla network with human drivers (meaning he's said this before- I'm sure you can dig up the earlier references if interested in when he started saying it)
Forward-looking statements do not apply to me as FSD buyer ))
Also, human drivers will likely be in Tesla-owned cars, not something regular people own.
SammichLover
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Eventually, though. Replacing the caboose with a box, riding the caboose was an extremely dangerous job and got a of people killed that needed be, took a very, very long time but eventually it happened.
Just to clarify:
There are weather systems that are just TOO big to fly around and that is why, even Commercial large Jet flights are delayed or cancelled. Sometimes because their destination airport is not safe to land at. So, yes, in most planes with a good glass cockpit and an IFR flight plan you can obtain permission from ATC to go above or around a smaller system, but we were talking about EXTREME weather conditions.
The kind that result in flight cancellations or delays and for small aircraft, general aviation, result in flights delayed or cancelled for that day.
As for potholes, I suspect that is going to take additional hardware and processing power to interpret and avoid. With a pothole, it is more than just avoidance, it involves awareness of your surroundings to allow avoidance and often split second decisions. This is why I talk about ideal conditions standing in the way of any FSD system.
Just to clarify:
There are weather systems that are just TOO big to fly around and that is why, even Commercial large Jet flights are delayed or cancelled. Sometimes because their destination airport is not safe to land at. So, yes, in most planes with a good glass cockpit and an IFR flight plan you can obtain permission from ATC to go above or around a smaller system, but we were talking about EXTREME weather conditions.
The kind that result in flight cancellations or delays and for small aircraft, general aviation, result in flights delayed or cancelled for that day.
I think Tesla's reaction time on HW3.0 is Ok. Should be enough to avoid objects on the road. No one asks to see a pothole in heavy rain (at least I don't). I think it is a combination of factors, but I certainly believe with better sensors, maybe slightly faster hardware and 10 or so years of advancements in software it will be possible. Just not soon enough for the current owners with current hardware. Size will not be a problem for sure. Cost maybe, but I guess in 10 years also less likely.
This has not been debunked at all!
- Forward looking statement pretends only to a company's financials. It has nothing to do with marketing or expected product applications, consumer protection etc.
- it is an American law. So they could not even "hide" behind this outside the US
Knightshade
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Yes, it has though... Now let's watch as you misunderstand it again and get the basics wrong...
This is 100% wrong.
You'd know if you'd bothered to actually read the link provided at least twice now in the thread where it mentions they include things like predictions about the future of products (like FSD!) and about future operations (not just financials).
If you'd like even more info see here:
Forward Looking Statements - Example of this Common Disclaimer
Where among the list of things you'd apply forward looking statement disclaimers to are:
"Completion of projects that are underway, in development or under consideration"
Like- FSD for example!
Or here-
Application Of The Safe Harbor For Forward-Looking Statements - FindLaw
Where among uses for forward looking statements they list "new product developments"
You know- like future FSD features.
Of course they can. Tesla is an american company, traded on an american exchange, and protected by american securities laws.
I see you're from Canada-
Hilariously- here's the Royal Bank of CANADA mentioning "hiding" behind the exact same protections-
Forward Looking Statements - Royal Bank of Canada
RBC said:
Everything you write is nonsense. I will not go into it any further.
Knightshade
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Knightshade
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Indeed.
Things a guy says about future possibilities on an investor call have nothing to do with consumers buying products
Instead, the actual advertised features of the thing you are buying, especially those explicitly presented to you when you buy it, are the things they're actually legally obligated to provide to you.
Thanks for finally realizing that! Glad I could help!
Interesting partial list of examples, which I agree with. What is becoming more clear to me is that the diversity of often nonstandard roadsigns out there, sometimes with conditional driving directions, means that recognizing a sign against a pattern may not be actually get us there. There may need to be text recognition and comprehension functions added to the AI in order to deal with these and other nefarious cases, given that sign creators seem to delight in inventing ever more edge cases for sign recognition.
Such examples also illustrate, I think, that relying on a remote database is unlikely to ever be a satisfactory solution. I can't think of any other technology but vision systems that will ever compete with the proliferation of states sign types, conditions, and especially with dynamic sign types (construction on this mile today, on the next mile next week, ...)
Duplicating the efficacy of human recognition and understanding (when the human is focused and not distracted, sleepy, or intoxicated) is no small task.
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