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Will Tesla punish their supporters, or refund $3,000?
- Thread starter Ezri10
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Has anyone that pre-purchased FSD attempted to get a refund? I'm going to give it a couple days and see if Tesla comes to their senses before I go that route. I am fine with the price reduction on the car and EAP. I have enjoyed both and have used both so no issue for me legally or ethically. Paying extra for undelivered goods is another matter.
Evthusiast
Member
Things change oh well lol. Get over it.
Similar here. We are going to the party this Saturday that would have a bunch of technology savvy people and likely they would be interested in seeing my 3 but with this going on I'm not in the mood to show it to them. Even if I do the lack of my enthusiasm will definitely be noticed... And then we have another friend staying with us next Saturday...
Also a need to replace our other ICE car coming up in a year or two... There are couple of car makers I would not buy from and would discourage other people if I could. Tesla is still far from there but this is a step in that direction. I definitely am not going to make extra effort to be their customer anymore if the things stay as they are now.
Lease on my Volt is up this year. Was planning on a Model X to replace it. Might just lease the new leaf now. Have to vote with my wallet if I’m not happy.
He F’ed up. Last straw. Hope he goes bankrupt too
This is true, but how does that reconcile with the cars that will still need to be upgraded (didn't purchase either EAP or FSD), and can now for the same price as EAP?
Oh, but all those people got the usage of EAP? Sure enough, I used it for one 8 hour round trip. It was glorious. But that's $250/hour, steep cost.
Agreed. Not “fair”, but it could be a cost/revenue decision. Alternatives are 1) giving FSD for free to EAP owners or 2) keeping post delivery unlock prices higher than pre delivery prices or 3) give $3k refunds to people that bought FSD upfront. #1 and #3 costs them money. #2 would mean most people who didn’t buy EAP or EAP+FSD still won’t buy it. I don’t think any sane person would pay $11k to unlock FSD. But at $5k there will be a lot of takers. I think the situation is still evolving and maybe Tesla might end up doing #1 and/or #3 based on the backlash.
ord3r
Member
Tesla seems really bad at doing this: Price Discrimination
The true masters of price discrimination do it without anyone caring, if they even notice.
The true masters of price discrimination do it without anyone caring, if they even notice.
Totally agree. Everything is on "sale" these days, which makes determining true value difficult. I have no issue with Tesla reducing prices to meet demand. I have an issue though when they advertise buy now or pay more later then totally renege.
Or they could provide some benefit that doesn't cost them anything initially like free supercharging and/or free connectivity and/or any of the meaningful referral program gimmicks and/or service/store credit and or extended warranty and/or (fill in the blank)...
ord3r
Member
Yeah maybe give us FSD air fresheners, or let us launch a HW3 board into space with a picture engraved on it.
I got bit by the lower price on the car and EAP, but to me the biggest deal is that FSD is never going to work on this car. It simply doesn't have the external sensing to drive safely on city streets autonomously.
Knowing how your car acts with EAP, would you trust it to reliably get through a 2-way stop sign on FSD where the perpendicular traffic doesn't have to stop? Even with faster processing speed? The fact is that even with HW3, this car is never going to be reliably Level 3 on most city streets because it simply doesn't have the situational awareness to do so.
Knowing how your car acts with EAP, would you trust it to reliably get through a 2-way stop sign on FSD where the perpendicular traffic doesn't have to stop? Even with faster processing speed? The fact is that even with HW3, this car is never going to be reliably Level 3 on most city streets because it simply doesn't have the situational awareness to do so.
Chris350
Member
I would gladly be happy with any of those.... Not looking for cash back....
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
So I think you misunderstand what HW3 does.
It's not just "faster"
It's vastly more capable of using the sensor data for one.
HW2.x can't actually process all the cameras inputs at full rate/resolution.
And the size of the NN is orders of magnitude larger in HW3 too.
So using "how EAP acts" as any basis for how FSD with HW3 would work doesn't get you anywhere.
It's like saying "Well, that half-blind 10 month old human child keeps walking into things and tripping, so clearly a sighted 10 year old human child won't do much better!"
A nice thought, but you have no idea how that will actually translate into real world performance. The fact is that there's no reason to believe you'll ever be able to, say, take a left hand turn on a two-way stop into traffic with FSD.
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