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Discussion in 'Energy, Environment, and Policy' started by vfx, Jan 27, 2009.

  1. RubberToe

    RubberToe Supporting the greater good

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    I should have said "once construction starts", then I would have nailed it! :D

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  2. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

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    EIA Electricity Power Monthly - October 2020 for August 2020.

    Wind generation for August 2020 was up on August 2019, with 22.6TWh compared to 19.9TWh.

    In rolling 12 month generation, wind power is at 322.5TWh and 7.99% of generation, up from 277.4TWh and 6.79% a year ago.

    540.8MW of new capacity was added in August 2020. Planned new capacity for the next 12 months, decreased by 67MW, lowering the planned 12 month total to 20,393.4MW, which would increase total capacity by 18.81%.

    Included estimated solar, solar plus wind has reached 10.93% of generation.

    Capacity (MW):

    PeriodPriorChangeNewChange
    Month107,893.4540.8108,434.20.50%
    YTD103,571.24,863.0108,434.24.70%
    Rolling98,743.19,691.1108,434.29.81%
    Plan +12mo21,001.2-67.020,393.418.81%
    Capacity Factor (MW):

    ValuePriorChangeNewChange
    Month Capacity98,387.49,506.0107,893.49.66%
    Month Factor26.9%1.1%28.0%4.09%
    Rolling 12mo Factor33.7%1.9%35.6%5.49%
    Generation (GWh):

    YearMonthYTDRollingMonth %YTD%Rolling
    201919,867191,400277,4364.91%6.79%6.65%
    202022,571218,966322,4725.59%7.99%7.89%
    Difference2,70427,56645,0360.68%1.19%1.24%
     
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    A bit sensationalized for an issue that seems specific to that location and shortcuts which were taken, and which will be fixed.
     
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  6. nwdiver

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    Stumbled on this on the U-Tubes...



    Screen Shot 2020-11-02 at 9.53.28 PM.png

    $35k wind turbine... 4.15kWh/day

    Yeah... small scale wind is comically terrible.
     
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  7. SageBrush

    SageBrush REJECT Fascism

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    Ouch. That fellow took it on the chin with grace.
    I don't think he actually understands the reasons for the lousy production. I wonder what they really are.
     
  8. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

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    EIA Electricity Power Monthly - November 2020 for September 2020.

    Wind generation for September 2020 was down on September 2019, with 23.2TWh compared to 24.3TWh.

    In rolling 12 month generation, wind power is at 321.2TWh and 7.91% of generation, up from 283.4TWh and 6.79% a year ago.

    793.4MW of new capacity was added in September 2020. Planned new capacity for the next 12 months, increased by 537.2MW, raising the planned 12 month total to 20.137.2MW, which would increase total capacity by 18.44%.

    Included estimated solar, solar plus wind has reached 11.01% of generation.

    Capacity (MW):

    PeriodPriorChangeNewChange
    Month108,434.2793.4109,227.60.73%
    YTD103,571.25,656.4109,227.65.46%
    Rolling99,664.89,562.8109,227.69.59%
    Plan +12mo20,393.4537.220,137.218.44%
    Capacity Factor (MW):

    ValuePriorChangeNewChange
    Month Capacity99,011.39,422.9108,434.29.52%
    Month Factor33.9%-4.6%29.3%-13.57%
    Rolling 12mo Factor34.2%1.0%35.2%3.00%
    Generation (GWh):

    YearMonthYTDRollingMonth %YTD%Rolling
    201924,299215,848283,3646.70%6.79%6.79%
    202023,176242,142321,2006.86%7.86%7.91%
    Difference-1,12326,29437,8360.16%1.08%1.12%
     
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  9. nwdiver

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    I can't wait until offshore wind really kicks into high gear. I think that's what pisses me off about Vogtle and Summer the most. $40B down the tubes. Could have used that money to get off shore wind going 10 years ago. The nuke cult really needs to just pack up and retire already.
     
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  10. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

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    Well, it's a bit frustrating, but I don't think it's too bad. The USA is subprime for offshore wind, with relatively small continental shelf and powerful coastal storms that require turbines to be able to withstand winds over 200mph. The USA really needs successful development of floating turbines to have a large amount of offshore wind generation.

    Plus, the USA has low density with other great resources in onshore wind and solar, so development of offshore wind isn't as crucial as it has been in northern Europe.

    That $40B would have been better spent on transmission capacity.
     
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    #233 SageBrush, Dec 18, 2020
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    The recently completed La Joya wind farm near Encino, NM was also about a year in construction, although both had ~ 4 years of bureaucracy before hand.

    Sagamore will feed into the SPP regional power pool which mostly feeds OK and KS. Do you know how it worked out to build in Roosevelt country, rather than more locally in OK or KS ? Those are also windy states, and in fact have considerably more wind built up than NM. Excel actually had to build a 14 mile long, 345 kV spur to tie in to the SPP grid.

    Mind you, I'm not against it AT ALL. I hope NM wind gets exported far and wide (AKA California). I'm just curious about the economics.

    By the way, one news site reported ~ 4.3 kWh production per watt year estimated (~ 50% capacity factor!!). That is just crazy if true. I cannot think of productions numbers that high outside of the huge off-shore wind farms in the North sea. This could be my answer to the question above ... if true. Because then the cost per kWh, based on $900M for 552 MW, works out to ~ $1.75 for 107 kWh (25 year production) = 1.63 cents a kWh before cost of financing is included.
     
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  14. ladysbff

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    It sits on 100,000 acres, and around 98% of that land will continue to be used to produce agriculture.

    I love the future.
     
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  15. nwdiver

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    I watched that rate case. Cost of energy will be ~$18/MWh... cheaper than the fuel for a gas plant. The LCOE of this wind farm is cheaper than the fuel alone for a gas plant :)
     
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    Thinking of a dinner I had in Houston with an oilman 4 years ago where he passionately tried to convince me that renewables would never be viable because they would never be cheaper than oil. Smart guy, too. This was before I had a Tesla but was talking about Tesla non stop.


    The Times They Are a-Changin...
     
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  17. nwdiver

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    SPS (Xcel) owns the wind farms. SPS is one of the evil subsidiaries of Xcel.
    You may recall I had a disagreement with them over whether they owned the energy from the sun... Fortunately wind is now dirt cheap and SPS likes money... which is why they tried to claim the sun was theirs...

    So these wind farms probably needed to be in SPS service territory so they could use SPS infrastructure to connect to SPP.
     
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  18. SageBrush

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    Granted; I'm wondering why NM rather than OK or KS. I'm presuming that scale of power is heading to the population centers of SPS territory.
     
  19. nwdiver

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    SPS not SPP. SPS is small. SPP is the ISO. SPS doesn't cover OK or KS. They built two wind farms one for their NM customers and one for TX.

    Screen Shot 2020-12-18 at 11.06.31 AM.png
     
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  20. SageBrush

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    #240 SageBrush, Dec 18, 2020
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    Ah .. thanks.
    So SPS NM has a 0.25 GW - 0.5 GW average load ?

    Addendum:
    This SPS pdf from 2011 has a table on p. 3 that calculates out to ~ 1E9 kWh SPSS NM annual consumption. At a CF of 50% (if true, as I wondered above) then Sagamore generation is 2x the consumption in 2011 of its NM SPS territory.
     

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