i have both and while the p3d is much more fun at times the RWD is still a very fun car AND it gets WAY better range. Downside in the winter is with one motor the RWD doesn't warm the battery up nearly as quickly as dual motors.
Worth it to upgrade from LR RWD to P3D?
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While on paper yes but I have a RWD LR with 19" and a P3D with 20"s and the range difference is way more than 20 miles doing any real world driving.
Sorry looks like i'm basically saying the same thing as ElectricIAC now that i've made it to end of thread 
ElectricIAC
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Yeah. Dual motors don’t come without a price. It really makes me wonder what kind of numbers we could see out of a single motor Model X, having driven a single motor S before as a loaner it seemed to return numbers often similar to the P3D at moderate speeds.Sorry looks like i'm basically saying the same thing as ElectricIAC now that i've made it to end of thread
I wanted P-D. But First Production didn't offer it and I didn't want to wait. So I got LR-RWD. Also had to get the upgraded interior, which I didn't want. Now I love the upgraded interior and don't feel any need for P. I drove a Roadster for about seven years. I loved its performance (which is significantly slower than the P3D's performance) but that car ate tires like a seal eats fish. When I got the 3 I thought maybe I'd trade it for a P3D when that became available. Now, I've got no interest in upgrading to P. My car suits me too well to think that anything shy of Level 3 autonomy would be an improvement.
Torque is fun. I mean, like, really REALLY fun. But the crazy thing is that my LR-RWD has way more torque than almost anything else on the road. It's got all I'm ever going to need for merging and passing. But I'm 71 years old and a car is transportation. My advice: If you want a fun toy and can afford it, upgrade; if your car is transportation, save your money.
ElectricIAC
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I would probably be saying the same if I’d gone through with a new 3LR when I had the chance but at the same time i don’t regret getting the P3D.
AhwatukeeDad
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Worth it is very personal. I have a P3D and my wife has a LR RWD. Both are zippy cars but the way the P3D presses you back in your seat is unlike anything I have ever driven. It is very worth it to me.
so much so that I have a TriMotor Cybertruck reservation and will only consider a Performance Model Y.
ymmv...
so much so that I have a TriMotor Cybertruck reservation and will only consider a Performance Model Y.
ymmv...
tomas
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I said it was more with 20s, didn’t I? And I wasn’t reporting on paper difference. I have both cars with 18s. And, my direct experience is that driven similarly in the real world, difference is 20. Of course if you go wild with the P, the difference goes up.
Here is my opinion. The performance is not fun. It's actually boring. A Miata would be considered a fun car, not a tesla. It's very fast for sure but that's it.
The driving dynamics are mediocre. The steering is numb and the suspensions actually suck. The are stiff without being sporty which is totally to be expected on a vehicle that weights over two tons.
I would suggest to stick to your model 3. A much much sensible car without false pretenses. Or look at a base model Y. That make make more sense than a M3P.
Disclosure. I owned a model 3 stealth.
The driving dynamics are mediocre. The steering is numb and the suspensions actually suck. The are stiff without being sporty which is totally to be expected on a vehicle that weights over two tons.
I would suggest to stick to your model 3. A much much sensible car without false pretenses. Or look at a base model Y. That make make more sense than a M3P.
Disclosure. I owned a model 3 stealth.
ElectricIAC
Devil’s Advocate
I have to give it to our 3MR in the handling department. It certainly felt more spry than the P3D of course I’ll have to try the new track mode with full rear bias to really do the comparison justice.
From some posts here (way back) I think the difference is more like 30 or 40 miles IRL. People were complaining they weren't getting even close to the EPA range in the P while people with the RWD were getting at or even more than the EPA number. Could partly be that people that drive the P tend to be lead footed. I mean after all it is a performance vehicle. I find the RWD plenty fast enough for all my needs.
steering is certainly lighter on a RWD car than the AWD and of course the RWD doesn't lift the front on hard acceleration.
Not even close IMO. With a P3D, you have significantly faster acceleration, slightly better braking, and track mode for when you’re at the track. Interior is identical, exterior is identical (for the most part).
With an M3, it’s special walking up to it and drooling over the flared fenders, gaping air intake, quad tips, bulging hood, carbon fiber roof. It’s special when open the door, glowing M badges everywhere, sit inside, hands grabbing the wheel, seats grabbing hold of your body. It’s special when you start it up, loud enough to wake the whole neighborhood. It’s special when you shift into gear, step on the gas and hear the exhaust growl louder, even if you’re just cruising around at 5mph. It’s special when you slam on the brakes from 80mph for a 270-degree freeway interchange, turn the wheel and feel how insane the grip is and how finely tuned the suspension is. You get none of this in a base 3 series, or even the M340i for that matter.
The P3D is an amazing car and an amazing value, but under normal day-to-day, it’s nothing special over even an SR+. This is especially true if you’re on Autopilot every chance you get, like a lot of us are.
Not trying to downplay the value of the P3D over the 3LR and definitely not comparing the BMW to the P3D. Just countering your comparison to “BMW 3-Series vs BMW M3.”
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Did you read the posts? This was purely in regards to acceleration.
That’s fair. If that’s the comparison then I concede
And I concede the M3 is waaaay nicer than the base 330That’s fair. If that’s the comparison then I concede
it’s actually way nicer inside than the Tesla too And I concede the M3 is waaaay nicer than the base 330
bmw interior is extremely outdated, nowhere near the interior quality of a tesla
ElectricIAC
Devil’s Advocate
I sell these things day in and day out. Except for the 3er, a few of the cheaper lines are somewhat out of date but the higher end and recently remodeled are top notch and quite intuitive.
