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Would you consider a Bolt?

Discussion in 'Electric Vehicles' started by Autonerd, May 13, 2016.

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Would you consider a Chevrolet Bolt EV over a Model 3?

  1. Definitely yes

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  2. Definitely no

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  3. Maybe

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  1. Autonerd

    Autonerd New Member

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    Hi all -- I'm a journalist who has been lurking here for some time and learned a lot (thanks all).

    I'm working on an article for an online pub, and I have a question: Would you consider a Chevrolet Bolt EV over a Model 3? And if so, under what circumstances? (i.e. will consider them equally, might consider if Model 3 is late/expensive, etc.)

    Why or why not?

    I'd like to be able to quote responses and can use forum handles if need be.

    Thanks in advance!

    Aaron
     
  2. wallet.dat

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    Hmm they both have four wheels and some doors. Totally comparable!
     
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  3. Steve Martin

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    I answered maybe, but it's unlikely. I was expecting a "lift back" type trunk like the Model S, so that was disappointing, but as long as I can get a hitch mounted bike rack on the Model 3 or fit my bike in the trunk (preferred), then I'll stay with the Model 3.
     
  4. CliffG

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    Maybe 5 years ago, maybe 3 years ago. Not now, no way. It's more about not trusting/valuing GM, imho.

    On reflection, I should note: I might have considered it if it or something similar were being offered. It wasn't and I don't think GM's happy about doing it now.
     
  5. S'toon

    S'toon Knows where his towel is

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    You forgot the [​IMG] smiley on the end. :p
     
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  6. ChooseGreen

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    While I think it is awesome that there will be more long-range EVs on the market, I am not considering a Bolt based on one simple fact: it is impractical for road trips. As far as I know, GM is reluctant to engage in a fast-charging network. Looking at what exists now, I would have to L2 charge whenever my family wants to take a road trip (which is the main reason we have a car in the first place). We are a one-car family and want to stay that way.

    Additionally, I support the ethos of Tesla. They want to change the world and are willing to collaborate with others to get there. GM sends strange signals when they destroyed every EV1 produced, they are trying to legislate Tesla out of Indiana, etc. I can't get behind that.

    Tesla currently produces some of the safest cars in the world. This is very important to me for a family car.

    I also have a lot more confidence in Tesla to take care of me as a customer after purchase. I have no such confidence in GM.
     
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  7. JohnSnowNW

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    I live in the Mid-west. There is no CCS network that allows me to take advantage of the vehicles added range compared to much cheaper competitors. GM has said they have not interest in rectifying this.

    So, no, I don't like throwing money away.
     
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  8. inspron

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    Discounted Bolt + tax credit could win me over a Model 3 with no tax credit.
     
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  9. Zoomit

    Zoomit Part 3 Awaiter

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  10. ilg

    ilg Some guy on the Internet.

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    I answered No. The Bolt is not the type of car I want to own. I also have much less confidence in GM's ability (and desire) to produce a truly good EV. We already know that Tesla makes great vehicles.
     
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  11. N5329K

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    Nope. Ugly, GM, no SC network. Basically a puffed-up Spark with a BMW pricetag. That said, if I needed a city car with flexible cargo-carrying ability, then maybe. But I don't.
    Robin
     
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  12. Dan Detweiler

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    From my perspective, if I didn't get the M3 I would get another Volt. A Bolt with no Supercharger network might as well be a Leaf. Neither car does me any good on a long trip. At least with a Volt I can still travel as I need to. I have been driving a Volt for 4 years now and have been happy with it. It has performed as advertised or better. It lets me do 80% of my driving all electric but still do the trips when I need to.

    The Model 3 appeals to me because of its technology and performance but without the ability to travel at distance efficiently it is of little use to me. Tesla can offer that...the others can't.

    Dan
     
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  13. Xaff

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    The only way I would consider a Chevy Bolt, is if it was temporary while I was waiting on my Model 3. There are two main reasons for this.
    The first being that the Model 3 is an overall better car at a lower starting price than the Chevy Bolt. More range, faster 0-60 MPH time, attractive design, autopilot, and superior safety.

    Secondly, GM is simply not passionate about sustainable transport. The only reason they're making an EV is because Tesla is becoming a very real competitor and they want to capitalize on demand. Because of this, they also still look as EVs the same as a ICE car instead of something completely different. Tesla is passionate about their mission and won't start making ICE cars even if they could make more money by doing so.
     
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  14. jtrimble

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    With no fast charging network for the Bolt, it's hard to justify it as a road trip vehicle. Personally I've purchased a 2017 Volt to tide me over until the Model 3 is available for me to purchase. It gets decent range for city driving and has the backup engine for distances. I find it a good compromise while I wait for the Model 3.
     
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  15. Zythryn

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    I would consider a Bolt, but they have a lot of challenges.

    First, I would like to see GM take up Tesla on their offer to share the SuperCharger network.

    I also don't like the dealer model, either for purchase or service.

    But most of all, GM's support for the anti-direct sales legislation at various states really makes my not want to support them.
     
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  16. techmaven

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    If Tesla disappeared, I would still not consider a Bolt. Not with GM's history, which I consider worse than Volkswagen Group. I would wait for Nissan or BMW to make something comparable instead. But since Tesla isn't going away...
     
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    GM is going to run out of its tax credits at about the same time as Tesla, if not sooner.
     
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  18. ZachShahan

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    #18 ZachShahan, May 13, 2016
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    Naturally, you are going to get skewed results here. I suggest also asking in the GM-Volt.com forum: GM-Volt: Chevy Volt Forum

    But you'd also get skewed results among any broad group EV enthusiasts or knowledgeable people. (Here are results from broad surveys we conducted last year. I doubt things have changed much since then, but if they have, I really doubt they've changed in favor of the Bolt.)

    One key reason is that Tesla has the Supercharger network, with stations that are widely dispersed in practical locations (unlike the CCS/SAE Combo fast-charging network the Bolt will be able to use), can charge a car about twice as fast as the stations in the CCS/SAE Combo network, and are much more reliable.

    Also, Tesla is now known for performance and cutting-edge technology (e.g., semi-autonomous driving, over-the-air updates, fancy touchscreens, etc), and the Model 3 is widely expected to trump the Bolt on these fronts.

    You also have that fact that Tesla is a 100% electric vehicle company, and GM is far from it, and many buyers are likely to trust Tesla over any other company in this market. (Of course, you will also have some people who will trust the legacy automakers more.)

    From that study noted above, 55% of respondents who didn't yet have an EV expected to get the Model 3, while 17% expected to get the Bolt. Among people who already had an EV, 39% expected their next EV to be the Model 3, while 6% expected it the be the Chevy Bolt.

    With this study, note that it was long before the Model 3 was unveiled and, of course, before Elon Musk announced new plans to increase Tesla production to 500,000 cars per year by 2018 (rather than 2020). Both of those things have likely encouraged more people to favor the Model 3, imho.
     
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  19. sports4eva115

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    Bolt as a vehicle is actually not bad; great range, nice interior, high-level base technology. It has the strength of reliability (being built by a titan of the auto industry), but has several weaknesses including size, exterior looks, and lack of effective long-distance charging.
    But GM as a company has such a shady history, with multiple obvious oil-company relation actions, that it's hard to trust them to dedicate more than they already have to help the transition to sustainable transport. If anything, it's hard to buy an EV from a company that recalled and crushed all their EV's in the past just because the laws changed.
    General Motors EV1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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  20. WileyTheMan

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    EV aside, the Bolt is not the type of car I need or want at this point in my life. I need something that has a decent sized backseat and a decent cargo capacity. Also, I'd like to be driving around in something that doesn't look like a clown car.
     
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