You can get a nicely equipped 75 (sound, Leather, PUP, and EAP) for $68.5k after the fed rebate. Compare that to the cheapest AP P85 at $68k, and you get a brand new car with much improved seats, AP2.0, and all the other little changes they've made in the past 3 years. The P85 has a bunch of bling and almost 40k miles on it.