AnxietyRanger
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The unique benefits are the reason I reserved it in the first place and I decided I could overcome the unique weaknesses as well.
You are not alone there.
That said, you can't win the argument here.
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The unique benefits are the reason I reserved it in the first place and I decided I could overcome the unique weaknesses as well.
A U.S. carmaker will soon launch a semiautonomous, nearly hands-free-driving car for highway use, using Mobileye's camera technology, Aviram says.
The driver need only push a button and leave much of the highway driving to the car itself, he says. For speeds of up to around 40 miles per hour on the highway, it'll stay within a lane, keep the right distance from the vehicle in front and brake or adjust speed as it reads signs and traffic signals.
Aviram wouldn't disclose the name of the automaker behind the vehicle, but Shanker of Morgan Stanley said, "We believe it is going to beTesla Motors (TSLA)."
He expects Tesla's semiautonomous car to come out toward the end of the year, by way of the Model X.
"speeds up to around 40 miles per hour" and "on the highway" seem incompatible.
I totally get MaxK's point. Ignore the drivetrain -- normal driving highend luxury cars are smooth and quiet, and reasonable powerful for normal use acceleration. So ignoring drivetrain .... COMPARE features of luxury high 5 or very low 6 digit vehicles.How is it unfair to compare to features that Manufacturer A should offer to those offered by Manufacturer B(and in my many cases C, D, E & F)? That is what car buyers do everyday.
That comparison does not ignore the unique features of the Tesla, nor does it ignore the unique weaknesses of the Tesla (yes there are also unique weaknesses of the Tesla compared to other ICE luxury autos).
Just because the Tesla is a real cool electric car that does 0-60 like nothing else, does not give it a pass on matching and exceeding other features that luxury car buyers might want / expect / be offered from competitors.
I believe Tesla is an amazing company and believe much of this will be in the car. I also believe that after a much delayed 2 year wait and a $125,000 price tag, I am not unjust in expecting a luxury car to be competitive with other luxury cars - feature to feature. The unique benefits are the reason I reserved it in the first place and I decided I could overcome the unique weaknesses as well.
I'm always curious when I see these lists of expectations compiled against what is available on other cars, if people would compile lists for THOSE cars saying 'able to accelerate like a bat outta hell', 'always full every morning when I go to the garage', 'manufacturer puts free fueling stations across the continent for my use', 'no more oil changes', etc.
Yes, I'd love all this stuff too. But I want what it will have even more. It's not lacking if something here is missing. Maybe the other cars are lacking because they don't have what this one has.
Perspective.
If we were to make a list of all the features of every car in a certain price range ... this manufacturer offers this tech, this other one offers these paint colors, this one offers this service package .. there is NO way we're going to be happy with whatever a particular manufacturer offers.
Make lists as long as you want about what you want in a car. My point, again, was it is unfair to say that Manufacturer A should offer this because Manufacturer B offers it - while ignoring the unique features that Manufacturer A is offering. It was the rationale that I was commenting upon. Sorry you couldn't see that.
If the $100k+ Model X didn't come with Adaptive Cruise Control (which it does, thankfully - AutoPilot), I for sure would cancel it. No cooled/ventilated front seats? Cancelled, since I can get that plus ACC on a $42k car with 0-60 in 6 seconds. Significant road noise encroaching into the cabin? Cancelled. No around-view monitor? Well... I'd have to think about that, but I'd probably keep the reservation.If each and every one of these expectations is not met, will you be canceling your signature reservation?
I totally get MaxK's point. Ignore the drivetrain -- normal driving highend luxury cars are smooth and quiet, and reasonable powerful for normal use acceleration. So ignoring drivetrain .... COMPARE features of luxury high 5 or very low 6 digit vehicles.
But thanks for comparing me to a prostitute.
The drivetrain is the reason I reserved the X and the reason that I almost did not. With it's benefits also come some negatives. In the end, I believed the balance tipped more towards the benefits.I'd argue that ignoring the drivetrain is equivalent to ignoring "luxury feature X". For some of us, the drivetrain is the most important feature. I understand that's not the case for everyone, but it's valuable to understand this point of view.
In the end you are buying an EV from a company with far fewer production vehicles than the competition. Comparing features with other luxury vehicles/makes is silly without consideration for costs that the other vehicles/manufacturers don't have.
First and foremost you are paying for an EV drive-train, and to a lesser extent exclusivity (whether this is important to you or not). Expecting to pay the same amount as similarly equipped luxury ICE vehicles doesn't seem practical.
China is probably an example of a market where the Model S is lacking compared to other luxury autos and the drivetrain is viewed as a negative rather than a positive. Thus the poor sales performance. I expect Tesla has learned from that experience and is one reason why the 2nd row seating is such a priority in the X development.
I just can't understand why people are always comparing a Tesla with other $100+K cars. As everyone knows the drivetrain of a Tesla is much more expensive than the drivetrain of an ICE. This leaves less money for other luxury items found in similar priced ICE cars, without compromising a healthy profit. You are, however, buying a new and superior technology and in the mean time investing in the future. Profits mad on the X and the S are used for the development of the Model 3.
I disagree. The Tesla drive train is actually cheaper than ICE vehicles. The Electric motor is much more simple than than an ICE plus all the extra support infrastructure to keep it running (oil lines, exhaust lines, cooling lines, etc.). And there are already threads out there that indicate that the batteries are much cheaper than most people suspect.