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"You people"? Really?

Discussion in 'Site Feedback' started by tinm, Jul 21, 2019.

  1. bmah

    bmah Moderator, Model S/X, California Forums

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    Thanks to @ohmman and @bonnie for doing a great job of explaining how moderation works on TMC.

    Bruce.
     
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  2. aubreymcfato

    aubreymcfato Member

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    FWIW, I put more blame on admins than mods in this case.
    I contest the "undiscussability" of the ban, because it creates a strange, paradoxical environment where posts and users can (theoretically) be evaporated without explanation, and nobody can ask questions.
    I've been a mod in other venues, but the community there has rules and guidelines that more transparent, and the whole community was responsible for decisions.
    Different environment, I guess.

    I repeat that the fact that we can here talk about this is different from the earlieast response, where posts about neroden were deleted on sight.
     
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  3. traxila

    traxila Member

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    That is unacceptable and makes me wonder what I am doing on this site.
     
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  4. traxila

    traxila Member

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    Still do not know if ban is permanent. Based on lack of response I guess it is.
     
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  5. Zhelko Dimic

    Zhelko Dimic Careful bull

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    That's happened to me, on a post I spent two hours writing.
    I've since decreased my participation 90-95%.

    Other than @neroden, moderators (or admins) also silenced @DaveT with series of unfriendly actions, including closing his thread.
    Whatever, maybe this site was really becoming too influential for Tesla's own good?
     
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  6. jerry33

    jerry33 S85 - VIN:P05130 - 3/2/13

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    Once in a while I get a post moved or removed. That's okay. I'm certainly not upset because of it.

    Unless you are a professional writer, it's very hard to think about how other's might see your post. What works in conversation, often doesn't work in print because print has no vocal inflection or body language. I generally assume that this is why I'm reading the post as antagonistic rather than the way it was intended to be read. Very seldom is a post meant to be antagonistic (trolls excepted).
     
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  7. JRP3

    JRP3 Hyperactive Member

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    Yes that seemed like a random unnecessary action, what harm was being done by that thread existing?
     
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  8. tinm

    tinm 2013 Model S Owner

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    This is the sickening irony of the whole thing: the lack of communication and clarity by the management of this forum business eerily resembles the very lack of communication and clarity that Neroden, me, and others have said is an ongoing problem with Tesla.

    This site has no clear, up-front process in writing about how the management decides to ban a participant and then when they do, what happens then, what if any recourse exists, what is the term of the ban, and how and where it’s communicated as to why the person was banned. Everything should be out in the open. Any decent online community would have this in place.
     
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  9. Big Earl

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    #69 Big Earl, Aug 7, 2019
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    Interestingly enough, I find myself in that very situation at work. While I know the details of this person's impending departure, out of respect for the individual's privacy, I am not at liberty to discuss the situation with the rest of the staff. We'll have a meeting afterward talking about how we move forward and reviewing our policies with the rest of the staff.
     
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  10. Xenius

    Xenius Active Member

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    My anecdote was a much more 'serious business' version of what's going on. We're not employees of this online message board, though if it weren't for some of these issues and others I'm aware of in the past I might just be a paying client.
     
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  11. SteveD

    SteveD Supporting Member

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    Lovely photo btw Bonnie :) Are you still driving a Tesla?
     
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  12. bonnie

    bonnie Oil is for sissies.

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    I've been driving a Tesla since 2011. So yes. :)

    Roadster (sold), Signature Model X #2 (sold), driving a Founders Series Model X P100D.
     
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  13. Zaxxon

    Zaxxon Supporting Member

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    Those still discombobulate me. Good job holding out. :)
     
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  14. ohmman

    ohmman Maximum Plaid Member

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    Yeah, that was some crafty business. :)
     
  15. bonnie

    bonnie Oil is for sissies.

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    Annnnd I have the folding 2nd row. Annnnd I have the 2.0 wiring harness. It may be the only Founders Series w that config.
     
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  16. tinm

    tinm 2013 Model S Owner

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    @neroden's stats are astonishing, really. This is one of the most prolific participants in this forum. The sudden "disappearing" is just chilling.

    neroden-stats.png

    Compare to the two admins of this site. Just sayin'.

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  17. SteveD

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    Hey you know, we don't know why he was dismissed but typically one is warned before he was banned. Perhaps he will be back and stick to the posting rules. The Tesla community needs to have some rules for the benefit of all.
     
  18. cucubits

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    This is hilarious considering how little the marketplace is moderated and rules enforced...
     
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  19. Lasairfion

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    As previous Global Mod for a forum of about 7000 members, I'd say that in this sort of case the least I would do is clearly state whether the ban is temporary or permanent and that it breached the terms and conditions / rules of the site (if it didn't they wouldn't have been banned*). The rest of the details would of course be confidential.

    Moderating is a horrendously difficult job, by the way. It's rare that you can ever win no matter what you do. Transparency, as much as is possible, and communication is the key.

    * sometimes people do get banned and then the rules updated
     
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  20. aubreymcfato

    aubreymcfato Member

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    I don't know the rules (nobody does, apparently), but if he's permanently banned he probably won't never return. This is what a permanent ban is in other places.
     

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