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"You people"? Really?
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FWIW, I put more blame on admins than mods in this case.
I contest the "undiscussability" of the ban, because it creates a strange, paradoxical environment where posts and users can (theoretically) be evaporated without explanation, and nobody can ask questions.
I've been a mod in other venues, but the community there has rules and guidelines that more transparent, and the whole community was responsible for decisions.
Different environment, I guess.
I repeat that the fact that we can here talk about this is different from the earlieast response, where posts about neroden were deleted on sight.
I contest the "undiscussability" of the ban, because it creates a strange, paradoxical environment where posts and users can (theoretically) be evaporated without explanation, and nobody can ask questions.
I've been a mod in other venues, but the community there has rules and guidelines that more transparent, and the whole community was responsible for decisions.
Different environment, I guess.
I repeat that the fact that we can here talk about this is different from the earlieast response, where posts about neroden were deleted on sight.
That is unacceptable and makes me wonder what I am doing on this site.
Zhelko Dimic
Careful bull
That's happened to me, on a post I spent two hours writing.
I've since decreased my participation 90-95%.
Other than @neroden, moderators (or admins) also silenced @DaveT with series of unfriendly actions, including closing his thread.
Whatever, maybe this site was really becoming too influential for Tesla's own good?
Once in a while I get a post moved or removed. That's okay. I'm certainly not upset because of it.
Unless you are a professional writer, it's very hard to think about how other's might see your post. What works in conversation, often doesn't work in print because print has no vocal inflection or body language. I generally assume that this is why I'm reading the post as antagonistic rather than the way it was intended to be read. Very seldom is a post meant to be antagonistic (trolls excepted).
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
Yes that seemed like a random unnecessary action, what harm was being done by that thread existing?
This is the sickening irony of the whole thing: the lack of communication and clarity by the management of this forum business eerily resembles the very lack of communication and clarity that Neroden, me, and others have said is an ongoing problem with Tesla.
This site has no clear, up-front process in writing about how the management decides to ban a participant and then when they do, what happens then, what if any recourse exists, what is the term of the ban, and how and where it’s communicated as to why the person was banned. Everything should be out in the open. Any decent online community would have this in place.
Interestingly enough, I find myself in that very situation at work. While I know the details of this person's impending departure, out of respect for the individual's privacy, I am not at liberty to discuss the situation with the rest of the staff. We'll have a meeting afterward talking about how we move forward and reviewing our policies with the rest of the staff.
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Xenius
Active Member
As a former moderator of this site (actually the first mod, not counting owners), I thought I'd weigh in. I've been privvy to plenty of discussions in the past 'behind the curtain' and there's always more to the story than it appears on the surface.
In my years here, no one was ever banned for criticizing Tesla, NO ONE - only for violating TOS. (Look at footer on this page to find those if you're unfamiliar.) @neroden has always been upfront in his criticism of Tesla & this forum, def of me... since prob 2013. So the current TSLAQ spin of 'TMC is just a shill for Tesla' is completely false.
I have zero idea why he was banned and it's none of my business. Warnings are typically given, unless it was something particularly egregious. (One that comes to mind was a member who stalked me across other social media platforms & personally threatened me, admins saw it and banned him.) And since I doubt Neroden did anything that resulted in permanent ban without warning, I'm going with he probably knew he was walking near the edge of the Ban Cliff.
And yes, moderating is a tough gig. I lasted three years and then resigned. I was either too heavy handed, not heavy handed enough, too flippant, too serious, accused of censorship repeatedly for moving someone's post over to the right area of the forum to mingle with others on the same topic, etc etc etc. The forum was just not fun anymore & I originally joined to enjoy conversations with like-minded people.
I'm sure we'll see Neroden again on one of the many social media platforms. Maybe you'll learn why he was banned from him. Maybe it's only a temporary ban and he'll be back.
If you walk away with anything from this post, it's that the reasons for a ban are really none of our business. We cannot see the conversations that went on behind the scenes and I can think of situations where sharing the reasons for a ban would cross some privacy expectations. Then you open a whole new can of worms with 'why did they tell us about this ban but not that ban?'.
Maybe moderators could have chosen different wording, but I just saw wording from a mod that had reached the end of their rope on this subject. Kind of like my parents used to act after I had one more excuse for coming in past curfew when I was a teen. (Sorry Mom & Dad! Still no regrets, though.)
Lovely photo btw Bonnie
Are you still driving a Tesla?
bonnie
I play a nice person on twitter.
I've been driving a Tesla since 2011. So yes.Lovely photo btw Bonnie
Roadster (sold), Signature Model X #2 (sold), driving a Founders Series Model X P100D.
Yeah, that was some crafty business.Those still discombobulate me. Good job holding out.
bonnie
I play a nice person on twitter.
Those still discombobulate me. Good job holding out.
Yeah, that was some crafty business.
Annnnd I have the folding 2nd row. Annnnd I have the 2.0 wiring harness. It may be the only Founders Series w that config.
@neroden's stats are astonishing, really. This is one of the most prolific participants in this forum. The sudden "disappearing" is just chilling.
Compare to the two admins of this site. Just sayin'.
Compare to the two admins of this site. Just sayin'.
Hey you know, we don't know why he was dismissed but typically one is warned before he was banned. Perhaps he will be back and stick to the posting rules. The Tesla community needs to have some rules for the benefit of all.
This is hilarious considering how little the marketplace is moderated and rules enforced...
Lasairfion
Member
As previous Global Mod for a forum of about 7000 members, I'd say that in this sort of case the least I would do is clearly state whether the ban is temporary or permanent and that it breached the terms and conditions / rules of the site (if it didn't they wouldn't have been banned*). The rest of the details would of course be confidential.
Moderating is a horrendously difficult job, by the way. It's rare that you can ever win no matter what you do. Transparency, as much as is possible, and communication is the key.
* sometimes people do get banned and then the rules updated
Moderating is a horrendously difficult job, by the way. It's rare that you can ever win no matter what you do. Transparency, as much as is possible, and communication is the key.
* sometimes people do get banned and then the rules updated
I don't know the rules (nobody does, apparently), but if he's permanently banned he probably won't never return. This is what a permanent ban is in other places.
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