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Your help needed: "FOR" Votes for 2015 TSLA Prop 3 and 4

May 27, 2015
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Mythbusters is fun but usually they will do a test with 2-3 subjects only. One control, one placebo, and one true test subject. That's an absurdly low sample size. (Sometimes they do up the ante on sample size, but not every time) and the plants one was a good example of a really small sample size trying to extrapolate a result.

In any event, I'm not sure why this is brought up here since they found that plants DO NOT respond to stimulti.

The television show MythBusters performed an experiment (Season 4, Episode 18, 2006) to verify or disprove the concept. The tests were done by connecting plants to a polygraph galvanometer and employing actual and imagined harm upon the plants or upon others in the plant's vicinity. The galvanometer showed some kind of reaction about one third of the time. The experimenters, who were in the room with the plant, posited that the vibrations of their actions or the room itself could have affected the polygraph. After isolating the plant the polygraph showed a response slightly less than one third of the time. Later experiments with an EEG failed to detect anything. When the presenters dropped eggs randomly into boiling water, the plant had no reaction whatsoever, and the show concluded that the results were not repeatable, and that the theory was not true
 

deonb

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Mar 4, 2013
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Redmond, WA
Cool will watch it later. I like experiments that don't presume we know how everything works!

What's the whole episode (Episode 61: Deadly Straw, Primary Perception), not just the YouTube video.

The YouTube video is taking the experiment out of context. (I know, shocker, right?)


Initially they didn't test it correctly (didn't reproduce Baxter's experiments), and they received a bunch of readings that were all over the place - which is where the YouTube video stops.

Once they fixed the experiment and eliminated outside interference, they were not able to reproduce the results.
 

TSLA Pilot

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Mar 12, 2013
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Interestingly, a great testament of how Tesla does the right thing.

Despite both of these being voted down by ~99% by shareholders, Tesla adopted cruelty-free, vegan interiors within a few years of these proposals.

Gotta be impressed by a company with that much "First Principles" thinking, and taking action when exposed to the facts. This doesn't seem to happen as much as it should!

Frankly, Tesla/Elon may have help hasten a trend--few want the flesh of murdered animals around, and the same will happen with those actually eating this garbage as well, soon enough:

w.latimes.com/business/story/2019-08-18/america-is-obsessed-with-beef-but-it-has-no-use-for-hides-so-leather-prices-plunge

"There’s no one bidding, no one trying to buy them,” said Brannan, who has worked in the hide business since 1976.

According to Hidenet, a leather markets research firm, a hide from a branded cow went for as little as $4 the week of July 15, down from as much as $81 just five years ago. Vera Dordick, chief executive officer and publisher of Hidenet, added that it’s not just the U.S. industry that’s suffering.

“It’s a worldwide crisis,” Dordick said. “Some people used to say, ‘We haven’t buried any hides yet.’ Now they can’t say that.”

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