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I've had both PS4 and PS4S and wore out both tires around 10k. PS4 tires are really really good and PS4S are only slightly better in dry grip...both have very high limits for street tires. I doubt any all-seasons come close to that level of dry grip. The PS4 All-seasons don't hold a candle to...

On Cars.com, I see a Recurrent score that estimates battery health. It may not be super precise but would think it would give directional information on battery health. I think over time, this type of analysis would be expected on all EV used cars.

and lower capacity. They really need to lower the price on the LR...

As you said, thats kinda TBD. I could see the new M3P doing better on a short track. Lets see how it goes.

As a daily driver, feel is all that matters. Most people don't track their cars but they "feel" their drive every day. Not everyone cares for a Model S which may be faster by x seconds on a track but feels like a boat and to extract fast times, you brute force your way through every corner...

Kyle was just on the Motortrend podcast. Jonny Lieberman was very complimentary to Kyle's track driving and said he can really boogie so thats pretty good praise. Kyle used to own his own track when he was living on the east coast so probably has a ton of seat time pushing the limits.

The legacy M3P (especially early ones) were stiff but handled pretty decently. Twitchy as hell and a little unsettling over bumps but you could really brute force through corners 😁 I like extra stiffness in the suspension so I would like to try it out and see what the different settings...

I think it’s faster through the entire range. Just has a similar curve.

The motors are different. The 2018/19 models shared the same motor. They switched sometime in 2019 or 2020 to a different motor.

I wanna see if they make battery improvements for the new Junioer Y. Figure it would carry over to the Performance 3 if that happens.

Yeah. I’m planning to upgrade next year and am hoping battery improvements come by then. Also, will try to be opportunistic and jump on a low interest rate offer if they provide one.

Its off the chart everywhere. Nothing comes close anywhere in terms of speed to value.

Haha. I know it's first world problems but $150k a year is near poverty level in so-cal :D of course I'm half kidding but I wish there was a Ludicrous trim to make it even more desirable.

True but at the same time, it’s not a great value from a resale perspective if you don’t qualify for the tax credit. I’m going to have to weigh options as I know that as soon as I buy the car, it could potentially be less $7500 right off the bat. First world problems 😁

Should be a high 10s car. It’s met the expectations especially for the price. Great job Tesla!

Did the older model range get adjusted in the car? I have a 2019 M3P with Performance pack. I don't recall my range being adjusted downward to 299 miles.

But the older models never reflected the 299 miles right. It was always kept at the baseline 310 miles. Also...299 miles is far from realistic :D

In the prior Model S, Insane was just the fastest mode enabled but didn't heat the battery to optimal conditions. I think it just unlocks max horsepower while Sport mode neuters it a bit. I don't think it will pre-heat anything unless you've heard different. I would think they just add a drag...

I'm skeptical. The Model S LR runs 10.6-10.8s in the 1/4th and traps 130mph. I'd be ecstatic if its anywhere near those numbers.

Just to add, all Panasonic batteries out of the Nevada factory are NCA. The Nevada factory provides batteries for all Model Ys and the Performance Model 3 in the US.

Not surprised at the result. The old M3P isn't a slouch to 60 but that 30% increase beyond that would mitigate the biggest weakness of the current model. Can't wait until 1/4th times come out...here's hoping it gets below 11s :D

Way more often than not, it will be blamed on the car that does the rear ending. Their fault for not keeping distance. It is what it is...

Yeah and none of this 0-60 weak sauce. We need a good romp to 130mph to get a 1/4th time! 😁

Agree but the M3P will more likely will be the stoplight champion. Its going to easily outsell the 5N as its also much cheaper (which may be a great selling point for the 5N). I bet if there was no EV6 GT or 5N, Tesla may not have offered a more powerful M3P. I'm happy that there is...

SoC doesn't impact 0-60 near as much as the quarter mile. All of these anecdotes driving the car are nice to read but really can't put weight on them until we get some instrumented tests. At this point, I'm just hoping they improved the 60-120mph a bit more given the battery limitations. Also...

Agree. The 19s would definitely be my preference

There is about a 0.2s difference to 60 in the US spec M3P between 90% and 30% It’s been tested before by Bjorn. Look at the results at the 7:50 mark. After that, the power falls off more noticeably with lower SoC.

It’s probably battery output limited at the low SoCs. Maybe not much faster than current model below 50% SoC? Won’t make much of a performance difference to me if that’s the case.

I'm upgrading after a year. Let them get the bugs out first. Agree that the new car is very nice outside of the increased power. The improved suspension, insulation, build quality and ventilated seats are alone worth the upgrade for me. The power increase and static price are just icing on the cake.

Sounds like even the gimpy battery feels fast. 😁

Nope. He had to take a side trip to the track and get a time slip to get a reliable measurement of speed. None of this draggy nonsense.

Those are NOT DRAGGYS! They are digital timeslips supplied by the drag strip! Not every drag strip uses actual paper these days! I just posted a slip and you keep asking for slips...why is this so hard to understand? Not going to argue any further but most people with a long-range Model S...

What are you talking about? The Youtube video poster clearly showed every digital timeslip he ran. Example below. He's clearly running 10.85 at 128mph. He has multiple timeslips he shows throughout the video and its similar times. Drag Times clearly runs the same times as this guy. You are...

Please. A simple search on Youtube yields multiple instances of it trapping around 129mph in the 10.8 range. It will runaway from the M3P because it simply has a more capable battery.

Model S isn't as nimble or fun for sure. I really like how relatively light the M3P feels. If I were to go Model S...I'd have to splurge for the Plaid as that at least has a unique parlor trick of going to warp speed. Also, the Model S doesn't have much more passenger space than a Model 3...

No one outside of Tesla matter though. If Tesla never named it Ludicrous, its simply not Ludicrous.

Go peruse the Model S subforums and their drag times. Its there for everyone to see. Model S LR is not a slow car and I doubt the new Model 3 Performance is as fast after 60mph. Helps to have a much better battery in the LR.

Trouble is the new Model 3 is a much better car than the Model Y. Quieter, better handling, better ride quality, better seats etc... The new Model 3 Performance is a much much much better performance car than the MYP with the upgraded motors and adaptive suspension. If you don't need the...

LR is much much faster after 60 mph. I saw a timeslip in the 10.6s on the S forum. Damn fast.

Definitely had higher expectations...but also thought the car would be significantly more expensive. Given it's low price point, I think the car is a great value. There is also room for another higher level trim actually if Tesla wanted it. I'm excited to see the actual performance results...

Ceramic is limited in protection. I got my whole car PPFed and it’s scratch proof 😁

If you like driving dynamics and qualify for the $7500 tax credit, then I'd get a Performance Model 3. Its cheaper than the long-range and will probably drive like its on rails.

There is officially no ludicrous badge. There is either the Plaid or there is Performance.

More akin to ordering an iPhone. 😁

Yeah but it has an 8 speed virtual tranny and yours is only a 1 speed reduction gear. 😁 It will beat the current M3P in the quarter though and highway pulls will be better. I think I saw a range test on it and it got low 217 miles at 70 mph. Thats not great given our current M3P with 20s...

Not really yet. Everyone is waiting for these to get into the population first. Hopefully, we will see them in a month.

Performance Y drives great and nothing wrong with a fast SUV. For corners, the M3P is much better though as it actually feels pretty light on its feet (especially for an EV). I'm not that much of a fan of the RWD Model 3...i think it just doesn't have enough punch.

Chill mode? I don't think Performance models have chill mode... 😁

There is a marketplace right here in the forums. I sold my 20s here pretty easily.