If this is highway driving, then it is my understanding that FSD still uses V11 on the highway.2 disengagement because FSD took early exits before the correct exits.
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If this is highway driving, then it is my understanding that FSD still uses V11 on the highway.2 disengagement because FSD took early exits before the correct exits.
I don't think so. The motivation for cabin camera is likely just Elon not wanting his hands on the wheels (and people sharing the same thought), especially given multiple competitors having "hands off" systems.Not exactly. I think the various defeats and workarounds and sitting in the backseat, etc. pushed Tesla to use the cabin camera, and make it work for attention monitoring.
For this particular one, in the absence of defeat devices, I don't think removing a nag dismissal method makes it safer, especially for cars that don't have cabin cameras anyways. Basically there would have been no need to do so, it was just an extra dismissal method.This is a benefit for everyone - we definitely want the car to know when we are looking at the road. Long term it is safer for everyone. You can imagine that monitoring being a huge safety improvement even when not using FSD! (Not done yet, but in future…)
The one hand hanging technique is probably very similar to the defeat device. The anecdotes is that method used to work flawlessly, but over the years it has become less reliable and there has to be a variation of the torque to satisfy the nag.The wheel torquing is more arguable. Though it really shouldn’t be worse - it’s been proposed for a long time that Tesla distinguish a wheel weight from a person’s hand. It’s probably quite a different signature.
I personally don’t find the torquing to be a problem most of the time. Every now and again it seems to enter a weird mode where it really does not seem to detect torque no matter what, but seems more like a bug and goes away after disengaging. And it does not happen often (once every week or two).
V11 did not have problems with wrong exit at those 2 exits. I drove on that freeway all the time. I only experienced V11 wrong exit when I was out of town.If this is highway driving, then it is my understanding that FSD still uses V11 on the highway.
Would be interesting to test if this is consistent when there's no other traffic around. These had multiple lead vehicles doing the rolling behavior. Perhaps end-to-end can dynamically adjust to patterns it sees others doing? Otherwise it could default to some "nobody is looking" pattern. Although the 10mph roll is for a yield-like curve, so I wouldn't be surprised if the full stop training data might not have as many examples to override the common pattern of slowing for yield in these cases.
What makes you think that? I hadn't heard that before. But I also haven't closely followed the rollout of V12.If this is highway driving, then it is my understanding that FSD still uses V11 on the highway.
Was the jerking because another vehicle approached or perhaps more of poor visibility resulting in an unusual path? Nice to hear more reports of much improved comfort with 12.x.1 T intersection with slight obstructed views L and R… The only jerk of the steering wheel was at the left turn of the T intersection. In general, one of the most comfortable ride I have.
Any more details of what V11 struggled with that 12.x is doing better? Or that's related to the butter smoothness where previously FSD Beta was indecisive and unnecessarily jerked?It got a few things right that V11 usually struggled with… Overall, it was, dare I say it, “butter smooth” with excellent braking and steering
Seems like most reports and videos of 12.x have been from California, so it does seem like Tesla is biasing the rollout so far. Good to see 12.x going to vehicles in other states now, so hopefully your experience will be good for the rollout to expand to even more outside of California.I am in SC. I've seen PA and GA in another forum.
What are people experiencing that needs adjustments? It going too fast or slow? Problems on certain types of roads?Whole Mars saying that V12 rollout paused to make Auto Speed adjustments.
I don't think so. The motivation for cabin camera is likely just Elon not wanting his hands on the wheels (and people sharing the same thought), especially given multiple competitors having "hands off" systems.
I think the jerks were because of the unusual road conditions. No approaching vehicles. The right side is about 90 degrees and usually blocked by parked cars. The left side almost immediately curves right and distance views also blocked by cars parked both on the left and on the right. The T stop is facing a long low wall of a playing field with a banner. (W 230th St > Greenwood Ave, Torrance CA). I usually have to check both sides and take the turn slowly.Was the jerking because another vehicle approached or perhaps more of poor visibility resulting in an unusual path? Nice to hear more reports of much improved comfort with 12.x.
Oh, well in that case, most others probably will be fine just pressing the accelerator in the meantime. It'll be interesting to see how 12.x behaves with these types of speed interventions as does end-to-end realize there's additional acceleration to adjust steering?Whole Mars complained that it was too slow, as I recall.
In one of Omar's videos, @Mardak spotted a transition during a lane change when entering a highway. The speed indicator was on auto (a V12 setting) and the car started the lane change. Halfway through the lane change, the speed indicator switched to a number and the car stopped the lane change to move back into the original lane. It certainly looked like a change of mode. It's assumed that it is a change from V12 to V11.What makes you think that? I hadn't heard that before. But I also haven't closely followed the rollout of V12.
Which build were you on before? Ive been stuck on 30.8 forever it feels like and given how much I use FSD and send reports would hope that might bode well for me getting the new oneI just got 2023.44.30.20 8d5f887355fb on Nick (see sig). I seem to get releases early, perhaps since I often send disengagement reports(?).
Most Teslas are in California, which could explain the apparent bias.Seems like most reports and videos of 12.x have been from California, so it does seem like Tesla is biasing the rollout so far.