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You are overreacting and overthinking this is my opinion. There’s no perfect vehicle. If you want a great EV, accept a Tesla and acknowledge that it doesn’t have basic parking safety features 2015 cars do. But it gives you a large network to road trip with. It is generally low on maintenance...

No. None. Use it.

Model X 2022 is $85k used from Tesla. Where are you seeing 2022 X in the low 60s? Also what I am really looking to hear from you all is whether I should go with a used X or a newer Model Y :)

I don’t qualify for any tax credits. I also don’t take out loans of any kind even if it is 0% interest. I just buy it in cash. With these two pieces of information - what are your thoughts? Thank you.

Thank you

Is there a range somewhere that shows which ones would likely have HW4? I am looking at one but since it’s not directly sold by Tesla, I am unable to have Tesla look up the code. The VIN is XXXXXXXXXXF40XXXX just for reference if someone can help confirm if it has RYZEN chip and HW4?

I’d agree. There are probably a few buyers like me who test drove one and came out just confused as heck due to the stalkless design and just can’t see themselves driving one. And then there are some who would buy one because well, if Tesla’s doing it it must be the way of the future! All in...

Great. This should really help! Still no front bumper camera / parking / cross traffic alert sensors, though, yes?

Ignoring the astronomical insurance costs for a minute, I can comfortably say that the stalk-less design of the Model X is the very reason I decided to not buy one when I was this close to pulling the trigger. I don’t want a company to force me into learning something so radically different. I...

Just on the spaciousness alone, EV9 was hands down better. I am not even gonna argue about infotainment autopilot and the tesla ecosystem’s superiority. It crushes Kia in those areas. But Kia has a galore of safety and other features X doesn’t have, almost 300 miles real world range, and aside...

100% with you. Not buying car brands that force planned obsolescence on you is the only viable option. But the options are running out fast lol. Anything that “gets better” with software ultimately “goes obsolete” when developers decide that a certain hardware is not what they want to...

EV9 (aside from FSD and 0-60) is superior in every single way to a Model X Plaid including safety features, spaciousness, build quality, comfort, and drive-ability.

I hope you get those updates soon. I just noticed something after driving a couple of Teslas enabled with park assist and vision system. The older Tesla that has HW3 (and subpar cameras) faired worse than the newest HW4 equipped Tesla which also comes with cameras that are day and night better...

Wait, did you finance the car? Facepalm.

Sounds like you’ve made your decision. Enjoy your Plaid! I hope you continue to drive carefully and don’t race on public roads.

Okay. If I were 60 today, I’d buy the Model X but not the Plaid, unless there’s a specific need to get it. I am in my early 40s with our household AGI just shy of $400k, and NW about $1.5M at this point in our lives with no debts or mortgages, and with one toddler. We cannot justify buying...

Since you mentioned suspension, I can tell you that my $49k certified 10k mile GT Performance has a far superior adaptive suspension (and overall ride quality but that’s shape based) than any Model X. And I’ve driven both extensively. They are not comparable cars, I get it. But the adaptive...

how old are you and how are you doing financially?

Four pages of discussion. Simple answer - stay away.

I have seen what their high fidelity park assist does, and it is not even close to what a good 360 camera can do. Auto park is cool. But I’ll probably never need it. 360 however is a game changer and takes a lot of stress out if you’re driving a bigger car. Again, just my personal opinion.

Please do not take this the wrong way as I am just here for a healthy / fun debate. Has the bar now come down to "not horrible" for Tesla? Are they resting on their laurels? Or are they only focusing on FSD and have given up on other more important features for a day-to-day driver (e.g., I could...

I am the minority here clearly but you folks like this rendering? How is this superior to a high resolution “real” 360 image assisted with parking sensors? While 360 is also susceptible to image deterioration when cameras are covered but at least then the sensors take over and help with the...

And what happens when the cameras are covered with dust snow mud?

Yes. Totally. However, a front bumper camera is a far more justified FOMO behavior than cooled seats or lighting I would think, as it is directly related to safety and automated driving enhancements, potentially - one of the major reasons to get an EV that is a Tesla besides native charging...

Good point about the front bumper length.

Well, the very reason I didn’t go with a Tesla two years ago when time came to upgrade my 3 was the removal of USS. Lens is a lens. Sensor is a sensor. Class action suits likely are not happening unfortunately so I won’t hold my breath. Wishful thinking, sure. Even if they don’t add the sensors...

Given the (baseless) rumor around Model X getting a front bumper camera (a pretty significant update in my book as it gets us many steps closer to a true 360 view with practically no area left in the dark all around the car), would you wait to buy a Model X for this rumor to play out or not...

Respectfully, you (or almost everyone here!) likely have no idea what he’s like. Yes, you have formed an “opinion” of him which you’re entitled to. And I’ll also say that the reason you’re able to form such an opinion is that he’s talked about a lot on social media and has a social media...

Honestly, having driven performance Audis and BMWs, I find Tesla ownership a lot more economical lol. That said, I would agree with almost everything OP said. My gripe is the absent sensors / radar parts which render any features such as rear cross traffic alert impossible to implement...

The front bumper camera (on the outside of the car) is incredibly useful especially if a true 360 view camera (top view) isn't available. Adding that camera may actually make the 360 view possible. CyberTruck has this camera. I would be several steps closer to ordering a Tesla the moment they...

Will 2020-2021 Model X running HW3 get FSD 12.3.3?

Drove it for about 2-3 hours around town and on the highway and plenty of parts in town. While it has improved quite a bit, I feel like for me, its novelty would wear off within a few days and I’d be back to driving my own car by myself because “it is just easier that way”. However, with the...

Slightly different team but I hope it’s okay. We had a Tesla (loved it for the most part and didn’t love it for a few key things) and now we have another EV strictly for local driving. We do no road trips in it - we have a hybrid SUV for that as we don’t think very highly of EVs when it comes to...

No.

All newer Teslas I meant. Sorry. I know my 2019 Model 3 had it. I am actually not sure if blind spot repeater views are available in “any” vertical screen Tesla. But yes, that’s also a major factor for not going for vertical screen cars I’d think, for some.

Please know that I’m asking out of sheer curiosity. Turn signals already show the side repeater cameras (on the center screen). The blind spot collision detection already exists and it also can beep and bring you back in your own lane if you’re about to hit someone in your blind spot. I know...

Haha Original Poster - OP

Late 2022 builds and later have the following things that 2019-2021 models do not. And it’s not even worth discussing 2018 and older model X’s anymore. 1. Heat pump 2. Horizontal screen 3. Ryzen CPU 4. Phone key support 5. HW4 (2023 and later) 6. Ventilated seats (I think 2023 and later) 7. One...

Just way too many things upgraded in 2022 and later models for me to ignore them. I decided to just stay put and let the 2023 model X get to a more affordable price with low miles used

Thanks all.

I am so glad that I am not the only person who found this not just annoying but dangerous!

We are looking for a big SUV for the tall household that we are. I recently came across a Model X (I had never driven one before). It is owned by a private party. It is a 2020 model and found it to be very spacious, sort of exactly what we are looking for. I would have ideally liked it to be a 6...

I see. Thank you for your response! How is the car working out for you, overall, with no sensors, no radar, no RCTA, and no mirror BSMS? I’m genuinely curious. Also curious how many times you actually used the summon feature.

Good answer. And it answers my question almost entirely. Except, it’s not “my” Ford. My wife likes it so much that she wants me nowhere near it :) Thank you.

BACKGROUND: Fine people of this community, can you please help me make a decision? I owned a Model 3 for five years but sold it in the quest of getting a bigger (higher) vehicle as it was starting to give me back issues (6'4") and an addition to the family quickly made the Model 3 in need for...

Just a fun poll

Had a Model 3. Really wanted BCM RCTA in my next bigger car, and didn’t like the look and feel of Y. Been driving a Mach E GTPE and so far it’s been great and most certainly better than my 3 on many aspects. It’s a city car for me so the rather unreliable charging network thankfully doesn’t...

We can only hope.

Thank you. Agreed that the car technically gets better with software. It has. But a few omissions really bother me because I so wanted a model X or a Y!! Lol. P.S. Been here 5 years. My first experience with a weird user like the one above. I reported the user. Calling anyone (over a post)...

Honestly, the seat warmer etc. “one tap” functions are really better with touch. Agree with everything you said above. I sold my 3 six months ago (still very much follow Tesla), so I’m not sure if anything has changed since, but here are the only nitpicks I have with this whole “bring back...