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This what it looks like on Android

I don't think that this is the case. In prior posts @Tim-in-CA has said that he had disenrolled, the app reverted to not being enrolled, enrolled in DSGS, app reported pending and then went fully active.

Android or Apple IOS? I'm guessing Android as that seems to be flakier than the Apple IOS version. A couple of suggestions in the order of least annoying Restart your phone Log out of the app then back in again (I do this often to resurrect the Charge-On-Solar functionality) Uninstall and...

Well there are 3 days left and the program requires at least one event a month. No one here has reported any event and there definitely hasn't been one since I joined DSGS on 5/14. Since there isn't a Tesla VPP contact that I could find I did reach out to Olivine that coordinates a lot of this...

PG&E is planning on rolling out a shift-the-blame messaging and another attack on solar.

So, it sounds like an app glitch since you never signed up in the first place.

When you click on the VPP does it encourage you to apply or is it fully enabled and showing ~2823 fleet homes and allowing you to set the VPP reserve level?

It would be more accurate to say that you are being sent a check for $232.97 because your annual NEM true-up retail rate balance was negative and you exported 2890 kWh more than you imported during the year. The math is 2890 * $0.04030 * 2 = $232.97. Any adjustment of the NEM balance is from...

If your NEM balance is negative you don't get that amount. Instead you get the Net Surplus Compensation, NSC, rate that is in effect for your true-up month multiplied by the net exported kWh for the year. Most CCAs give you more than the straight PG&Es rate with SVCE you get twice the NSC.

I didn't think that anyone had received an email confirmation

If the amount was less than $100 then it becomes a PG&E bill credit. If it is over than you would have been sent a check.

This is noted here: https://www.tesla.com/support/energy/virtual-power-plant/dsgs Looks like I confused the ELRP maximum of 60 hours with the DSGS maximum of 70 hours.

The original ELRP program was mostly Aug.ust and September, but there were also non-CASIO alert test events in June and July. When I went through the original program information, in pretty sure that there was a commitment of at least one event in each month. I'll need to find the specifics.

Also, the same for me. Now we wait for the first May event to grab the first $7.00/kW bounty. Edit: Just notice that the number of fleet homes dropped from around 6,700 to just 2,826. Looks like they are tracking the numbers separately between ELRP and DSGS.

Ok, so taking that analogy, if you were using the Tacoma as an Uber driver would you expect Toyota to cover lost income when you can't drive it or just fix the suspension after you taking it in for service? I lost my Solaredge inverter also and noticed it the same day. Tesla did take care of...

@Benjamin Brooks Coincidently, I also just checked my Tesla App and noticed that the Solar tab had changed and said something like "Join the Virtual Power Plant". Clicking through was an application submittal and after entering and submitting the Solar tab now has "Virtual Power Plant...

No single rule for everyone. For myself as a NEM2.0 net producer that imports on average less than MDC/NBC ($0.39167/$0.03052 = 12.83 kWh) per day this was already true and I have a very high reserve level to minimize the efficiency loss to maximum net annual kWH exports. My understanding that...

There are four components that make up the NBCs: $0.02649 - Public Purpose Programs -$0.00259 - Nuclear Decomissioning (yes, it is currently negative since 12/1/2024) $0.00101 - Competition Transition Charge $0.00561 - Wildfire Fund So, the two that remain would reduce the NBC to...

I submitted the disenrollment request this morning and there was no immediate response/acknowledgement.

The program rules for the DSGS VPP (variable monthly $/kw) is far simpler than the ELRP VPP (fixed $2.00/kWh above baseline). Earlier in this thread I ran some comparisons and my conclusion is that the DSGS VPP will pay out more for me for the season versus the ERLP VPP. Since the DSGS events...

Thanks for posting this as it was not at all clear. I thought Tesla was pushing everyone from the original $2.00/kWh program to the DSGS program. This seems like a major hassle to have to disenroll from the ELRP VPP, wait until that has processed and then to enroll in the DSGS. There is a...

Yes there is a ceiling on exported kWh. You will only be credit up to the amount of estimated kWh that your solar array can generate during the period. If you have a Powerewall and are getting the black-and-white bill then you will find this table. You will see the Estimated PV Generation...

Note: Everything I write below is for California NEM rules and may not apply to other NEM rules. There is no single right answer for everyone. What is optimal for a NEM 2.0 net consumer, is not the same as for a NEM 2.0 near zero consumer/producer which is not the same as a NEM 1.0 net...

The California NBCs are that big of a deal in my opinion. The current PG&E NBC rate is $0.03052/kWh and the Minimum Daily Charge, MDC, is $0.39167 which means that you can import 12.83 kWh/day or 4,684 kWh/year before you exceed the MDC amount if you are a net producer. If you are a net...

If it isn't there then I would just use the SDG&E rate as the differences will be minor <2¢. If you want to get exact then get the SDG&E tariff doc for your rate plan. Current and Effective Tariffs | San Diego Gas & Electric And replace the SDG&E generation numbers with the CEA generation...

The Tesla app should give you an option to select CEA as your utility and then it brings in the SDG&E distribution and transmission portion.

My understanding is that there is Tesla VPP fleet wide controller that is instructs each Powerwall how much to discharge and when. Based on comments from past events there is variability from site to site. In 2022 the control software appears to have been mostly brute force and it did dump...

When I originally wrote this, I had picked a couple of low/high points from the graph in the app. Downloading and analyzing the 5 min increment Powerwall data resulted in the following for my two Powerwalls: Date Event Hours Min (5min) Max (5min) Avg 8-28-2023 3 6.4 9.1 7.60...

I don't think we can say "per kwh, this is a better deal", but I do think that it will be a better deal than before as there is no longer the prior day baseline subtraction. The Tesla VPP page says that there will be a maximum of 60 hours of event time. This is lower than the CEC page that says...

If you plan on participating in all events and you expect to be able to discharge at the maximum 5kW rate for the entire event period (up to 2 hours) then your payment would be num_powerwalls * 5 kW * $64.55/kW or num_powerwalls * $322.75. To get to the 5kW rate for the entire 2 hours requires...

There is a bunch more information on this from the California Energy Commission, CEC, which is not the CPUC that I mentioned earlier. For anyone interested you can look here: Demand Side Grid Support Program and you want to focus on "Incentive Option 3" which is the Aggregated Virtual Power...

Oops, I thought something looked odd. It makes it more realistic. I missed that. The same section says that the events are no more than 2 hours and no more than 35 events. Updates in the Tesla app also says no more than 60 hours, but that isn't on the webpage.

Looks like the CPUC, who governs the program, has changed the payment scheme for the 2024 season and it is weirdly not tied to amount of kWh that you provide, but the average kW that you deliver plus a variable rate per month that amounts to$64.55/kW/season. So, if you always consistently...

The right terminology isn't "time of use" it is "Time Based Control". "Time Based Control" is a mode where the algorithm tries to optimize based on basic utility pricing that includes time-of-day and day-of-week pricing to determine when to have the Powerwall start exporting. This works well...

Yes, the baseline is amount per day is tied to the Tier 1 versus Tier 2 rates. This listed on your bill as 9.7 kWh/day and during the February billing period you used an average of 9.77 kWh/day. That amount indicates that you are in "Territory X" and during the summer it increases slightly to...

You are confusing two very different things, one is the utility tariff rate type and the other is the Powerwall operational mode. Time-Of-Use refers to the type of the utility, PG&E, rate plan, which from one of your screenshots is the E-TOU-D plan. This rate plan governs how much you are...

Self-powered means that your house load is powered directly by your self-produced and self-stored power which is either your Solar or your Powerwall. Exporting to the grid and then importing it in the middle of the night is not direct use of your self-produced or self-stored power. Think of...

This should be the same as if you had a HELOC tied to the property, just have it paid off as part of closing.

Similar, $240.80 vs last year at $332.97. I wasn't tracking everything this time around, so no idea if this correlated to the rules or not. I felt dirty having to provide some much details to get the money, bank account (weird that it was account number then the routing number), name, address...

This was discussed over the weekend. You can start here: Tesla Virtual Power Plant in CA Bottom Line - No one has received payment yet, and doesn't look like physical checks this year and payment is via ACH transfer.

The VPP pages at one time said that the payouts were in March, but that has been deleted for the current text. This definitely is not in my app at this time either.

An ACH transfer would require that Tesla has my financial institution's routing number and my account number. Since I have never provided this information, I didn't see how they could possibly do an ACH. Looking into the link above...

The mandate for fluorescent bulb format fixtures versus CFL that screwed into a standard A19 socket was to prevent people/builders from switching back to incandescent after the permit inspections. The rise of LEDs as a lower cost, lower wattage, longer lifetime alternative to CFLs that have...

Global warming is changing environmental conditions and fires will get larger and spread more quickly in drier conditions. These changes aren't just happening in California and to the best of my knowledge, there haven't similar utility originated wildfires in our neighboring states of Oregon...

I grew up in NH with lots of rural customer, lots of trees and nearly every line was overhead and I can't recall any wild fires. I do recall the utility (PSNH then now Eversource) regularly going along and trimming back tree growth every 2-3 years which is the basic maintenance that PG&E wasn't...

And it's broken today. No data available after 1/19/2024 for my account.

Finally! When I went to adjust mine, I noticed there is a complimentary version in the VPP -> Settings section.

Well some of us have SolarEdge HD-Wave inverters which have crapped out. Mine died just shy of the 2 years and it was well after they had supposedly cleaned the pipeline of units that had "faulty" capacitors in them. It was replaced at no cost to me, but since I was still able to buy a 25 year...

In California, the current VPP payment is that you get the regular grid export compensation based on your tariff plan and NEM status and in addition you get $2.00/kWh for the additional kWh your Powerwall/battery discharges during the VPP event versus the average discharge during the same hours...

This was an old post (2 years ago) and I would be very surprised if any Powerwalls are still running that firmware. I wasn't logging all of the firmware updates that were being applied to my Powerwalls until things went sideways with the 22.1.1 release that hit my Powerwalls on 12/16/2021...