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If you're gonna do all this, you might as well just drive normally without any AP/FSD features. The whole point of driver assist systems is to reduce fatigue... constantly holding the wheel and actively applying resistance for the entire length of the drive defeats the purpose. Since I'm still...

Before I got my TSL6 anti nag chip, the nags occurred every 12 seconds on the 35 mph back roads around here, 1-2 minutes on the freeway.

How did you manage to dodge the updates for 3 years? I’m 6 months into dodging the recall update and I get daily “schedule installation” popups.

I still have yet to find dry/wet brake test results for the Sailun eRange tires. I really like the price point and the reported efficiency figures... but until now every other Sailun tire is near the bottom of the list for dry braking, wet braking, handling, etc and this tire is not trustworthy...

Is that $600 installed? If so, what tires are you using and how good are they in the rain?

Just buy the TSL6 anti nag chip and save yourselves the hassle…

The TSL6 chip is installed in the diagnostics port inside the center console under the vents. It functions by toggling the right scroll wheel every few seconds to trick AP into thinking your hands are on the wheel all the time. It can be turned on and off in several ways, the easiest being...

If you're not having issues with the cabin camera freaking out, you can get away with hands free FSD by installing the TSL6 anti-nag chip. If you want to block the cabin camera completely and avoid the annoying "pay attention" notifications, you will be limited to AP only but in my experience...

I just ignore all the creaks and rattles. Chances are if I try to get any of it "fixed" under warranty, the service center will half-ass it or break something else in the process. I'll probably be fine for the next 100k miles and if not, it's new car shopping season 🙃

If the new FSD 12.4 nag changes aren't another Elon lie and they make their way down to AP, I will remove the anti nag chip and update to the latest software. Until then, TSL6 + 2023.44.1 is the way to go :cool:

Excellent news on the OpenPilot success! For $1400 including harness cost this is a much better deal than FSD. It’s nice to finally have viable alternatives on the market.

If Elon fully removes the "apply torque to wheel" nag in FSD 12.4 and these changes make their way down to AP, I will remove the TSL6 anti-nag chip I am currently using on version 2023.44.1 and will update to the latest software. I don't expect this to happen anytime soon though, because Elon...

Not yet, I’ll probably reconsider once I run my MXM4s down to 2/32” tread. Currently at 4/32”.

I'm a huge fan of the torque lock, but not the nags associated with it. The torque lock feature gives AP/FSD an "on the rails" feel, which keeps the vehicle within the lane on sharp curves even if you doze off or stop paying attention for a bit. On other systems, the lane centering feature lets...

Forget compromises, the TSL6 chip on 2023.44.1 gets rid of all the nags even with the cabin camera unblocked as long as you don't look away from the road for more than 7-10 seconds. On versions after 2023.44.1, you will need to block the cabin camera while using the TSL6 chip to get rid of the...

Damn, looks like they nerfed AP again. Previous versions of AP (not FSD, just AP) worked just fine with the camera covered o_O

Whenever you get a chance, can you check if the following still work to satisfy the autopilot nag? 1. Covering the cabin camera 2. Toggling the left scroll wheel up/down once Thanks!

Are these the same tire, just rebranded? I found these Hankook "EV specialty tires" under the label "Ventus ION A" for less than half the price of the ION EVOs. The tread patterns on both sets of tires and the specs are identical. Tire in question...

Next week: Tesla lays off entire app development team

It's good to hear that the alternative EV specific tires perform better than the stock MXM4s without sacrificing much efficiency. I am not a fan of the 8/32" starting tread of the MXM4s, especially at their price point. This is my main concern with these cheaper Pirellis. Unless I hear from...

Depends on whether or not Elon decides to layoff the entire updates team

No. That thread is for the “Elect” model specifically designed for EVs (and much more expensive).

Link to tire in question: Discount Tire | Tires and Wheels for Sale | Online & In-Person 2022 Tesla Model 3 LR currently running the stock Michelin MXM4s, ~26k miles with 4/32" treadlife remaining. I was gonna hold off until the late fall / early winter to replace these but I found a set of...

According to this thread on reddit, autopark and high fidelity park assist is now enabled for Teslas with USS as of version 12.3.6. While this is welcomed news for most users here, can anyone with this new version confirm if USS hardware has been disabled? I recall Tesla doing something...

I find Basic AP works better than the competition as long as the following conditions are true: Driving on the freeway or backroads (not too many lights stop signs) Driving in the same lane as much as possible Cruising at or slightly above the speed limit I find that AP does a better job...

This confirms my theory that AP + anti nag device + camera covered is a better experience than FSD on software versions above 2023.44.1

OpenPilot for HW3 is here. Not sure about HW4 yet.

OpenPilot is now available for the Model 3 and Y. Haven't looked into it too much yet but here's the install & demo video I found recently:

I'll trade my AMD chip with someone's Intel chip if it means I can stay on 2023.44.1 forever

I received the update over LTE twice within the past week. Confirmed this by doing a reinstall of 2023.44.1 in the service menu to clear the new update download files and waking up the following morning with 2024.3.10 downloaded again via LTE.

Cars depreciate and technology gets cheaper over time. It is what it is. I don’t see any wrongdoing by Tesla here IMO.

If you’re gonna buy a Corolla, buy one that is compatible with CommaAI OpenPilot. OP is 10x better than TSS and will give you the hands free driving you are seeking. That being said, I drove several OP compatible Toyotas and Hondas and the droning engine sound was extremely annoying on long...

Do you happen to remember if any of those forced LTE downloads were "recall updates"? I'm dodging the recall update by sticking to 2023.44.1 and it would be awesome if the popups went away after 2 weeks or so :D

In a bizarre (and somewhat unfortunate) turn of events, Tesla is now forcing the update to download over LTE and the reinstall software option within the service menu only delays the LTE download for a few hours. They haven’t forced the install yet though, but the popups are annoying as hell.

I did that last night and it made the downloaded update files go away…. and woke up this morning to the new update downloaded via LTE yet again 🙃 It looks like Tesla is starting to push the recall “fix” aggressively. I’m hoping that by ignoring the “install update” popups for a few weeks that...

This is the time to admit I was wrong... Woke up this morning to a notification in the Tesla app that I have an update ready to install. Opened the app and there it was, already downloaded even though the WiFi hasn't been connected for months. It must have downloaded over LTE overnight 😑

If the car worked before the update but constantly restarts itself after installing the update, it would be fair to blame the update for the issues

There's people on this forum still driving around on 2022.x.x firmware versions. I'm disconnected from WiFi and have no plans on updating the firmware anytime soon.

I wonder who would be on the hook if a Tesla approved and recommended software update causes damage to an out of warranty vehicle. This isn't the first time someone reported that a software update bricked their Tesla.

Not the OP but sticking to 2023.44.1 as well for a few reasons: I refuse to let a vehicle I paid for ban me from AP after "5 strikes" that can include system glitches AP on city streets nags a lot more on all the post NHTSA recall versions (anything after 2023.44.1) And that's about it. I'm...

Not gonna fall for it. I'm perfectly happy with AP for my driving style and FSD would actually be a downgrade in some cases (no scroll wheel trick, mandatory use of cabin camera, 5 strikes, etc)

The CANBUS module only works on the 3/Y but they also sell the TSL1/TSL2 modules (compatible with the S/X) that connect behind the scroll wheel inside the steering wheel. The only issue with the TSL1/2 modules is they require airbag and steering wheel removal, which most including myself aren't...

Chances are if you received a download over LTE while travelling, what actually happened is your vehicle connected to Tesla's wifi automatically at a supercharger and downloaded the update. I saw this happen firsthand in New Jersey a few months ago.

Yep. 2023.44.1 + anti nag canbus chip = unlimited hands free autopilot. I keep the camera cover open so I still get nags if I get distracted for more than 7-10 seconds but that can also be closed to make those nags stop as well, if desired.

Or keep your Tesla and buy the EVOOOR TSL6 anti-nag device that plugs into the center console under the rear vents. Costs $150 and takes 5 minutes to install, then simply cover your in cabin camera and enjoy unlimited hands free autopilot. So far there's two of us on this forum that own this...

Copying my post from another thread. This is my solution to the autopilot "problem".

I received my TSL6 module in the mail today, here are my thoughts: Took about 2 weeks to arrive from China (not bad) Arrived in a box with just the module (safely packaged) and the trim tool. No instructions in box. Installation was as easy as the video on the EVOOOR website shows it to...

Another (good) thing to keep in mind is that even if the download was forced, you can go into the service menu and reinstall the currently installed software version to get rid of the downloaded update files. I had to do this when my car connected to WiFi at a supercharger off the NJ Turnpike...

Still holding onto 2023.44.1 and have no plans on upgrading. I also ordered the TSL6 anti-nag chip (the CANBUS based one) to get rid of most of the nag prompts, we'll see how well that works...

I'm still on 2023.44.1 and very rarely run into this issue. Most of my AP usage is on two lane back roads and on stretches without too many traffic lights, it works flawlessly.